1 cartridge case & 1 cartridge...need IDs!

Hallo guys !

Here are these 2 ‘pieces’ that I want to identify them :

1. The cartridge :
cn

cn%20(1)


and

2. The cartridge (shell) case :
ag

ag%20(3)

ag%20(4)

ag%20(5)

I don’t know how…to read the headstamp… I would say

  • 12 o’clock : 43 (maybe !..?)…
  • 6 o’clock : YUY (!!?) …but…??

The case is made from brass (most likely) so…I would say it’s (was) a 23x152 mm from the Ilyushin Il-2 Shturmovik (VYa-23 auto cannon…?)

Thank you .

This is the case 23X152В cartridge to the gun ВЯ
http://patronen.su/forum/index.php?action=gallery;cat=1392

Rojon, you case hs reads “606” + “42” or “43”.
As Azvov said it is a 23x152B case for the VYa-23 aircraft gun.

Thank you !

YUY = “606”…?? Or…it’s a…“incomplete” ‘606’ ?? What’s meaning ‘606’ ?

So…was this…a “23x152 mm from the Ilyushin Il-2 Shturmovik (VYa-23 auto cannon…?)” ?

And the cartridge…??

First one looks like french production 8x50 Mannlicher. Dimensions are identical and smarking system too. SFM= ‘Societe Francaise des Munitions’ Issy-les-Moulineaux, October 1903 .

Second one is 23x152 WJa-23. 606 = Kemerovo Factory, under is date of production 43. Sometimes they looks really like was hand made.


This is yours >

As Anemon said, it is the factory code and IS the number “606”.

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French SFM production 8x50R M93 Cartridge for Bulgaria…contract 1903-04.
Clipsby SFM also exist.
Thos example has had Bullet set back into case.
Where found???
This ammo accompanied the new order for M95 Bulgarian Marked
Steyr-made rifles (1903-1910 or so).
DocAV

Thank you guys !

Yeah…after cleaning…I said…most likely is…“43” .

So, this 23x152b mm…was fired by a Ilyushin Il-2 Shturmovik (VYa-23 auto cannon), most likely… (?!?)

  • 8x50 Mannlicher with…‘short’ bullet ?!?

Romania, WW2 zone (until august 1944…) .