10.7 x 62 Le Personne?


#1

Is anyone familiar with this cartridge, assuming I have the name correct, made for a company in London. It is supposed to be similar the 10.75 x 63 Mauser.


#2

Guy, here is what I have on that scarce cartridge:

This cartridge was likely the first of the rimless cartridges based on the G (Gr


#3

Thanks for the information. I had not heard of this cartridge until yesterday, when faced with a DWM 515 headstamp. Do you know if this was the only cartridge to use this headstamp, or could it have been used by DWM on 10.75 x 63 Mauser cartridge also?


#4

Guy, it is my belief that the 10.75 x 63 Mauser and the so called 10.7 x 62 Le Personne are interchangeable. Any dimensional differances are minor. This has been debated and I am keen to hear arguments to the contary.

In the Datig copy of the DWM case book case #515 is originally listed as 10.5x62.7, later changed to 10.7mm with the comment "Nurnberg. Bez G63) meaning it is the same as the RWS 10.75 x 63 G (which has become called “Mauser”). In the other copy of the case book it is changed to "10.75x62.7. Note that case #515A is the longer necked more common 10.75x68 Mauser.


#5

So if I had a DWM 515 headstamp, it would appear that logging it into the collection as a 10.75 x 63 would be correct, with the note that the same case and headstamp was used for the 10.7 Le Personne. How would one distingish an actual 10.7 Le Personne from the more common Mauser cartridge?


#6

Guy, I don’t seem to be getting this across. From a useability perspective they are the same. The DWM version was listed originally for “Le Personne” but this is only a customer name.

The Le Personne name is shown as the customer in the DWM case book for both the 10.75x63 and 6.5x57 but this doesn’t make DWM produced 6.5x57 Mauser cartidges a new calibre called a 6.5x57 Le Personne !


#7

I’m just trying to clear up my confusion that has resulted from several sources. The first of these is the Collector Cartridge Prices that appear in the Gun Report magazine, which show separate listings for the 10.7 x 62.7 Lepersonnet DWM 515 (their spelling) and 10.75 x 63 Mauser, with significantly different values. Then there is Datig’s Cartridges for Collectors Vol 2, that shows the 10.75 x 63 Mauser and notes that there was no separate DWM case number for this round, and that DWM case # 515 is for “Peursbuechse Kal. 10.75 (x 62.7) Le Personne & Co., London,” which could be the 10.75 x 63 Mauser. Next is Dixon’s European Sporting Cartridges, which indicates the 10.75 x 63 G Mauser is also known as 10.7 x 62.7 Le Personne, and shows DWM case number 515 as 10.75 x 63 Mauser. Then there is Butweiller’s cartridge auction catalogs, which listed the DWM 515 headstamped cartridge on occassions as the 10.75 x 63 LePersonnet. Last there is Hogg’s listing of DWM case numbers, which indicates that 515 is 10.75 x 62.7 Le Personnet. Your explanation that it is the same cartridge with two names should sure clear things up, at least until someone comes up with evidence suggesting otherwise.

That was tiring - I think I’ll go take a nap!


#8

[quote=“WBD”]Guy, it is my belief that the 10.75 x 63 Mauser and the so called 10.7 x 62 Le Personne are interchangeable. Any dimensional differances are minor. This has been debated and I am keen to hear arguments to the contary.

In the Datig copy of the DWM case book case #515 is originally listed as 10.5x62.7, later changed to 10.7mm with the comment "Nurnberg. Bez G63) meaning it is the same as the RWS 10.75 x 63 G (which has become called “Mauser”). In the other copy of the case book it is changed to "10.75x62.7. Note that case #515A is the longer necked more common 10.75x68 Mauser.[/quote]

I have a copy of a drawing made by Kan Crane of a packet, filled charger and cartridge for the 10.75x68 Patronen No. 515A.

The carton label says:

BERLIN-KARLSRUHER
INDUSTRIE-WERKE A-G
VORM
DEUTSCHE WAFFEN -U
MUNITIONSFABRIKEN
KARLSRUHE

     10

Patronen No. 515A
ohne Rand
zum Mauser-Repetiergewehr
10.75 x 68
Ladung 4.30
Rottw. P. Nr. 5
Extraladung

auf Ladestreifen

the H/s is DWM K 515A K

The Ladestreifen is the 21A which is a lengthened version of the common Lstr 21 (M 1893) being 2.16mm longer. The extra length was needed bacause of the rebated rim.