11mm Werndl Carbine


#1

For years this cartridge has sat in my cabinet identified as the 11mm M.67/73 Werndl Carbine. But then I compared an 11mm Fruhwirth Carbine cartridge to it and realised that the bullet diameter is larger. The bullet actually measures 12.2mm. The Werndl Carbine should also have a caselength of about 42mm and my round has a caselength of 43.9mm.
I’m probably missing the obvious but if it’s not an 11mm Werndl Carbine cartridge what is it?


#2

Probably a 12x44R (aka 12.7x44R) Remington - which is known with that hs.


#3

Thanks WBD, this is a new calibre to me and I can’t find any reference to it in Huon’s book. Could it also be known as the 12.7mm Papal Remington or is that a different cartridge?
If it’s not the Papal Remington then who would have used this calibre? Did Austria use it, or was it made for somebody else?
Any info appreciated!


#4

Jim, the 12.7 mm Papal Remington is almost identical to the 50/70 Government. While similar to the 12 x 44 R Remington it has a larger base and rim diameter.

There were three slightly different 12 x 44 R cartridges, not fully interchangeable. They differ for their base shape ( flat base or raised base), rim diameter or bullet shape. Your round is the second model developed

All these three cartridges are CF versions of the 12 x 44 R RF Norwegian military cartridge model 1871 and were intended for sporting use


#5

Thanks Marco.