11x59 Gras or?


#1

Need a positive ID on the three cartridges pictured. I’m somewhat sure that they are the French 11mm, but are they the standard ball Gras, Vickers, or M/74? I appreciate any and all comments & thoughts.


#2

Fred,

All three are 11mm Gras cartridges and considered to be M1879/83 with jacketed bullet.

These are sometimes referred to as “Vickers” cartridges because of the use of Vickers MGs in 11mm Gras during WW1.

Brian


#3

So these are just standard Ball? Thanks Brian.