11x59 Gras or?

Need a positive ID on the three cartridges pictured. I’m somewhat sure that they are the French 11mm, but are they the standard ball Gras, Vickers, or M/74? I appreciate any and all comments & thoughts.


All three are 11mm Gras cartridges and considered to be M1879/83 with jacketed bullet.

These are sometimes referred to as “Vickers” cartridges because of the use of Vickers MGs in 11mm Gras during WW1.


So these are just standard Ball? Thanks Brian.