12 Grouse Ejector assistance

I am by no means any kind of expert on British shotshells. A user from my site asked this question. I am hoping one of you experts may be able to answer for him.

Question:
Hi, Mr. Curtis,
I have a question about a headstamp similar to
but not same as some on your site. Can you advise on
a brass cased (2piece; base and tube body ) 12 gauge
paradox -type round, with heavy paper/cardboard tube
in the case supporting or protecting the bullet, which is
a capped hollow point , similar to other paradox rounds?
The brass case is about 2-1/4 inches long, and crimped in 6
places against the (also crimped ) cardboard , which looks
very like a crimped and faded red or purple paper shotgun
shell mouth-end, partly opened by the bullet’s nose slightly
protruding. The cardboard extends the total length of the
cartridge another 1/4 inch and overall length is (per my caliper)
2.571 inches, measuring on the slightly protruding nose of
the bullet. Headstamp is (outer ring of two lines of print)
‘’ WATSON BROS. OLD BOND STREET ‘’ over ''No 12 ‘’ while the
inner ring of print reads ‘’ KYNOCH’S PATENT GROUSE EJECTOR ‘’ ,
all of it in capital letters . Can you help me get a bit more
information on this round ? I am trying to identify it for the
owner. I saw you had several cartridges with headstamps that
also had that ’ GROUSE EJECTOR ’ on the headstamp, also by
Kynoch and thought you might be the one to ask. Please
advise if at all possible or direct me to where I might find
info on this round. It is in rather fine condition, no corrosion
to speak of save some 'browning ’ of the case head in one area
that renders the headstamp rather harder to read there.
Regards, Chris
PS I do not see any solder in the head to tube joint, so I assume
it may be formed together

Kynoch “Grouse Ejector” was patented in 1886, early ejectors were
made with two-piece brass cases until September, 1906 when Eley
Brothers introduced an ejector with one-piece brass outer case.

Terry

Guys,

I attach the entry in my database for the Kynoch Grouse Ejector.

Jim Buchanan

Watson Bros, was of course, a gun maker who had the company name & address added to the headstamp, a not uncommon practice at the time & the same shell can be probably be found loaded with shot.

As per Jim’s entry, they came in 28 to 8 bore sizes, with the 28 also being supplied as the 28/32 size as well;
Kynoch%20Grouse%20No%2028%20Brass%20Side%20View%201
Kynoch%20Grouse%20No%2028%20Brass%20Head%20Stamp
28 to 8
Kynoch%20No%208%20Grouse%20Cartridge%20Patent%20No%202098%20Brass%20Ejector%20Head%20Stamp
Just about any Gunmaker who was anybody would have had them supplied with their name added to the head stamp. Primarily these would have been as shot cartridges loaded to resist the damp and getting stuck in the chamber, with nitro ball or paradox cases being used to carry a solid slug or ball load.
I have seen quite a few ejectors loaded like that so I guess it was a common practice to use these cases, in leu of a paradox/nitro case.

Thanks Friends.