14.5x114 ID


#1

I recently was given a couple fired brass cases of this round with the following headstamp.

Where was this one made? The only reference I can find (for the number code 17) is the Barnaul Plant. Was it known by that name or another one when this case was made in 1958? Is it worth much? I would imagine fired cases of these rounds would be somewhat hard to obtain. Thanks for any help.


#2

Yes, this case is made by Barnaul Machine Tool Plant JSC, 28 Polevaya St., Barnaul 656002, Altai Territory, Russia. As far as I know it has always been called that.

I have an earlier example made in 1956. Between the dates shown below on 12.7x108 and 14.5x114 Ammunition (as far as I know the only two calibres it was used on) they used a Cyrillic letter code as a date, I believed they switched to the last 2 digits of the year in 1957.

Г (G) - 1952
Д (D) - 1953
Е (E) - 1954
И (I) - 1955
К (K) - 1956

Sorry to disappoint you, but I don’t think the cases are hard to get, as I paid


#3
  • @ Falcon: Some Russian made rounds manufactured in 1952 show on the headstamp the two digit date “52” or the letter code “G” that you mentioned above. As an example there are some 23X115 rimless fired brass shell cases I have made by the State plant “184” [“Zelenodolsk”] in 1952. The letter code system from 1952-56 was also used for another types of rounds other than 12.7X108 and 14.5X114 [like you mentioned]. I’ve seen those letter codes on 7.62X39, 7.62X54R and 25X218 rounds. Starting with the year 1957 the two digit date “57” was used. —> Russian fired 14.5X114 shell cases having WW2 dates of manufacture are much harder to get than those manufactured after 1945. For a collector interested in Russian 14.5X114 shell cases, I’m sure any date of manufacture is good. I also have a fired Russian 14.5X114 shell case dated “58”, made by the State plant “3” [“Ulyanovsk”] but the shell case is made of green lacquered steel. —> NOTE: What I would like to know is the precise meaning of the 2 headstamp stars [see at 9 and 3 o’clock position], I just don’t think those stars are only for ornament. All the Russian made 14.5X114 rounds have raised headstamp markings, I’ve never seen impressed headstamp markings for this caliber [Russian made]. Liviu 12/24/07

#4

Here are a few 14.5 rounds.

Newest Brass cased one ('74 date)

WW2 dated ('41) and factory code 58

Steel cased… (unknown maker to me anyway)( 70 on top, Triangle on bottom)

Chinese White tip proof (Left), 2 red cased blanks with date on bottom.


#5

Brass cases are harder to find but can be had. I usually find them in the US for up to $5 USD ea.

Steel cased are much more common and usually for for half of the brass cases.

Just my 2 cents


#6

Thanks for the info! Just didn’t think that round would be very common around here. In fact, I wouldn’t even know where to get one, other than from a cartridge dealer.


#7

It’s unusial case with 58 and 41 digits at Missing Something’s pic. Is it real pic or made by Photoshop?
14.5 mm cases of 1941 are very rare. There were only 3 Plants produced 14.5 mm cartriges at the second half of 1941: # 3 (3B code), #44 and #46. (1,5 M cartriges total). It’s pretty hard to believe that Plant #58 in Moscow could produce such cases. This Plant made hunting and signal gun cases and mortar shell tail case.
If it real pic I can suppose that this plant collected tools from other evacuated plants at late 1941 and made some cases.


#8

Your “70 ^” round is most likely North Korean.


#9

I was just going on the fact that if I had bought mine so cheap it could not be uncommon.


#10

To put your mind at ease. I DO NOT photoshop any pictures. These are actual pictures of cases that I have in my possession. Here are a few more 14.5x114 cases that I have.

Another oldie (3 over 45)

3 over E

3 over “A”

3 over 57

3 over 58

17 over 58

41 over 60


#11

Some more :D

(symbols)


Steel cased 17 over 69

Arabic

Another picture of another brass cased 58 over 41 (I have quite a few of these cases)


#12

2 Missing Something. Sorry for my doubts.
No problems with ID Soviet cases:
3 over 45
3 over E
3 over “A” (actually Russian version of “D” (#5 in alphabet), not “A”)
3 over 57
3 over 58
17 over 58
17 over 69
But I have some problems with 41 over 60 and 58 over 41.
41 over 60. It wasn’t #41 plant in 1960 in the USSR. May be it was other country plant? It was #60 in 1941, but didn’t make cartridges over 7,62 mm
58 over 41 I don’t think that # 58 made 14,5 mm cases in 1941 in the USSR. May be it was the same #41 plant in 1958 in other country?
They are changing sometime the location of digits.
Do you have 14,5 mm cases “3B over 40”? I have couple ones.


#13

Thanks, I don’t have a cyrillic letters on my keyboard. My “A” was suppose to be stylized, thats why I put it in quotes :D

From my reference books, Factory 41 may be communist Chinese.

[quote]58 over 41 I don’t think that # 58 made 14,5 mm cases in 1941 in the USSR. May be it was the same #41 plant in 1958 in other country?
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Again my references indicate Factory 58 is USSR but does not state what particular factory or what they made. I have also found reference that the factory code is 41 and the year is 58 and that would indicate communist Chinese as well. Because there are no stars at 3 or 9 o’clock I would tend to lean towards Chinese.

No I do not. All the variations I have I took photos of except some steel cases I have with dates into the late '80’s.


#14

Hi!

The cases with the manufacturer code 41 are definitively Chinese!

This code number can be found at 12 o clock, as well as on the 6 o clock position. The last two digits of the year of manufacture can then be found at the opposite place.

Chris