16 GA "GARANTIE" hs ID


#1

Anybody to ID this 16GA headstamp?

Image from the web.


#2

try lignose or MWS (depending on the picture on the tube if it exists)

jp


#3

Ok, so it is German?


#4

I have encountered “GARANTIE” on 24 gauge pinfire used on Excelsior grenade launchers… should be of some German / Austrian origin…


#5

But the Excelsior launcher was French to what I know.


#6

I have one ; GARANTIE on 12 , 16 SB in oval 16 . and on 12GA ; 12 GARANTIE 12 B , and 32GA ; * G A R A N T I E * 14 m/m , and : on 24GA : GARANTIE * 24 *

                   Photo I can do tomorrow.

Rufus


#7

Yes, you are right, but it appears to have been used by Austrians too.
Several specimens of both the grenade and launchers have been found in Bucovina (germ. Bukowina) in Austro-Hungarian-Russian front lines. As you can see the launcher tube is a bit different , mostly the lid.
Pics via a metal detecting forum.


#8

This one is from MWS

jp


#9

Jeanpierre, here you mean “Munitions- und Waffenfabrik Sömmerda”?

Razvan, thanks again!

So we can say for sure it is German.


#10

MWS is Munitionswerke Schönebeck a Elbe

jp


#11

Good I have asked! Thanks!


#12

Just a thought, I have this drawing and one picture (I have looked for the case but can’t find it, I don’t tend to keep non British ones for very long).

JP, SFM manufactured?

Also this one, I don’t know. I had it listed as German but was never confident?


#13

Well, that means we are back to the question who it is then…


#14

bomb 20 Garantie 20 bomb Paris is for Lucas in Paris (made by SFM)

  • Garantie * 16 is MWS

They are about 30 different hstps with Garantie name


#15

30? That is a lot! So as so often we have to observe the appearance and design of the hs.
Again thanks for clarification!