2 cm Flak


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Here are some example of hstps (all tese case are lacquered steel).
I sorted them by family

  1. asb bird 43 52 , asb bird 43 49, eej bird 42 115
    This is manufacturer, bird, year, lot number

  2. avu * bird 43 350, eeo * bird 44 410, eeo * bird 44 383
    This is manufacturer, *, bird, year, lot number

  3. emp * 4 189, emp * 4 190, emp * 4 191, wg * 43 84k
    This is manufacturer, *, year, lot number

  4. BPD 20 39c 2/1942, BPD 20 5e 1/1943, BPD 20 37f 1/1943
    This is manufacturer(Italian), 20, lot number, 1(or2)/year

  5. SMI 20 1943 GP (in losange)

  6. SMI 943 PG (in losange) 20

  7. eej bird SMI 42 15c

Some questions :
a) Why there is a star on family 2 ?
b) Why there is no bird on family 3 ?
c) In family 4, What is the difference beetwen 1 and 2 in front of the year ?
d) Why the family 5 is not hstped like family 4
e) Why family 6 is reverse of family 5
7) Is this case German or Italian ?

Thanks
JP


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  • @ jean-pierre: About the asterisk mark * [starlike sign] which you may find sometimes on WW2 German headstamps for the 20X138B rounds, see the page 35 [IAA Journal #455, Sep/Oct 2005] and page 48 [IAA Journal #447, Jan/Feb 2006]. It’s all about the head thickness of the 20X138B shell case. Liviu 09/09/07

#3

Thanks !
JP


#4

My dear J.P.

About the # 7 hstp (German code + Italian mark), there is a very strong possibility that they do correspond to the first lots made in Germany then sent to Italy, when the Italians bought the rights to make lacquered steel cases. This cases were re-headstamped SMI before loading.

Philippe


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[quote=“philippe regenstreif”]My dear J.P.

About the # 7 hstp (German code + Italian mark), there is a very strong possibility that they do correspond to the first lots made in Germany then sent to Italy, when the Italians bought the rights to make lacquered steel cases. This cases were re-headstamped SMI before loading.

Philippe[/quote]

Hi Philippe !

Thanks for the info.

All these shells, plus about 50 other hstps (same manufacturers but different dates codes) are coming from a castle in a small village of north of Italy.
When the guy broke a wall (1 meter thick) between two rooms to make only one but bigger, he discovered the wall was full of 2 cm shells !!!
(Another wall was full of 50 Brg cases, a third one full of German (2 models) and Italian gasmasks and another full of corn !!!)
Plus some more interesting objets…

He has not finished to restaure the house so I borrowed him my metal detector lol!

I checked all the cases and it is funny because I found for example :

BPD 20 5a,b,c,d,e 1/1943,
BPD 20 7a,b,c,d,e 1/1943,
BPD 20 12a,b,c,d,e 1/1943,
BPD 20 37a,b,c,d,e,f 1/1943
BPD 20 39a,b,c,d 2/1942,
and so on !!!

I do not know the meaning of a, b, c, d, e, f but if it is a sub lot number, it means BPD didn’t made many ctges for each sub-lot !!!
Or it means the Italian shot an incredible number of ctges at the same location !!!

I think they were were shooting on US planes (because of the 50 brg cases) and because the grand mother told me she was remembering perfectly cases falling from the sky like rain!!

On the 1000 thousands rounds I checked there was only one case with Italian and German markings !!!
But I haven’t seen all the cases found .

JP