2 Unknown Brass Centerfires


#1

I have two brass cases, lead bullet rounds I have not been able to ID. Any ideas? I am sorry but I do not have a camera. Neither case has a headstamp.

11.5 x 42 R (.45 CALIBRE) UNKNOWN
OVERALL LENGTH	54.8mm	2.158 INCHES
CASE LENGTH	42.1mm	1.658 INCHES
CASE MOUTH	12.1mm	0.477 INCHES
BASE ABOVE RIM	12.7mm	0.560 INCHES
HEAD	14.7mm	0.579 INCHES
BULLET	11.5mm	0.450 INCHES
PRIMER TYPE	BERDAN
CASE TYPE	STRAIGHT


14.5 x 41.9 R (.572 CALIBRE) UNKNOWN
OVERALL LENGTH	52.4mm	2.060 INCHES
CASE LENGTH	41.9mm	1.649 INCHES
CASE MOUTH	15.7mm	0.622 INCHES
BASE ABOVE RIM	16.2mm	0.643 INCHES
HEAD	18.5mm	0.730 INCHES
BULLET	14.5mm	0.572 INCHES
PRIMER TYPE	BERDAN
CASE TYPE	STRAIGHT

#2

BTT


#3

The second is may be spanish.

members.shaw.ca/cstein0/metric.htm


#4

Photo or scan ?