20 x 110 headstamp


#1

Hi,
could you tell me something about the maker of this case?

Thanks
Pivi


#2

It is a Yugoslav case.


#3

Hi

CY : is SLOBODA in Cacak - Serbia
77 : 1977
34 : n


#4

Thank you very much

Pivi


#5

How recently has 20x110 ammo been made in Yugoslavia? I have read that during the 1990s Balkan wars slow flying propeller driven NATO Pilotless drone aircraft were easy fodder for Serbian Hispano cannons, so the guns were obviously still in service in the 1990s. Apparently NATO forces were left red faced by the fact the so-called obsolete WW2 era weaponry destroyed the expensive drones so easily.


#6
  • @ Pivi: The factory “Sloboda” which means “Freedom” [from the town of Cacak or Chachak located about 60 miles / 96 Km south of Belgrade/Beograd] also used the code “122”. The 20X110 rimless Hispano round was also used by the M55 triple-mounted anti-aircraft guns manufactured in the former Yugoslavia. Liviu 01/21/08

#7

Falcon, the Yugoslav 20mm Hispano AA gun was developed long after WWII just the caliber was a bit older.

Croatia has even a anti material rifle (AMR) in this caliber (designated RT-20) which got developed only in the 1990s.

South Africa’s lates AMR is also in 20x110 Hispano. (since 2006)

Talking about WWII issue weapons in the Yugoslav war it might be of interest that German WWII 20mm quadruple mounts were in use along with the well known 88mm Flak 36/37. (these very well might have been shooting at NATO aircraft)
Armor: there they were still using Russian T-34s, US M-4 Shermans, M-10 Destroyers and M-3 Stuarts. M-7 Priest SPA and some others I have forgotten.
So basically 50 years after WWII ended there were German 88mm AA guns still destroying Russian T-34s.


#8

I must have misred it or read inaccurate information about the 20mm guns, as I read WW2 era Hispano guns were used by Yugoslav forces. I did know Yugoslavia still had alot of Nazi-Era German weaponry. Did they ever make 88mm ammo? Of course they also used German made MG34/42s and K98 rifles for a long time after WW2.

As for the croation RT-20 AMR, I have seen some info and photos of that weapon before. I have also heard of the South African one.


#9
  • @ EOD: It was also used a copy of the older Russian 37mm M1939 AA gun that fired the 37X252R round. I have a Yugoslav made 37X252R fired brass shell case [worked as “trench art”] made in 1955. After 1945 the 7.92X57 and 20X138B rounds were used in Yugoslavia too. Liviu 01/21/08

#10

HI
EOD - South Africa’s lates AMR (Truvelo SR20) is in 20x82 (MG151).


#11

This 20x110mm cartridge is still in service on our Yugoslavian made minesweeper boats

Regards,
Vince


#12

[quote=“JMG”]HI
EOD - South Africa’s lates AMR (Truvelo SR20) is in 20x82 (MG151).[/quote]

Sorry the new one is in 20x110 HS404. I have seen it on the 2006 EUROSATORY in Paris and talked to the guys about the ammo.

Here it is:


#13

[quote=“strakv”]This 20x110mm cartridge is still in service on our Yugoslavian made minesweeper boats

Regards,
Vince[/quote]

Do you use Yugoslav ammo?


#14

I have a Yugo made 27x252R cartridge loaded in 1976. But not only that, they also have/had 40x311R Bofors 40/L60 with US, UK, Hungarian and German Ammo from WWII (reworked) and also Russian 25x218R M40 AA guns (Bofors system) together with original Russian WWII ammo and also Yugoslav reworked one.
The Geran 2cm quadruple mount I mentioned above is chambered in 20x128B. They used reworked German ammo as well as Yugoslav produced one.
Not to mention the bigger calibers.


#15

[quote=“EOD”][quote=“JMG”]HI
EOD - South Africa’s lates AMR (Truvelo SR20) is in 20x82 (MG151).[/quote]

Sorry the new one is in 20x110 HS404. I have seen it on the 2006 EUROSATORY in Paris and talked to the guys about the ammo.

[/quote]

EOD,

The photo that you posted does not show 20X110mm cartridges, they look more like 20X82mm.

gravelbelly


#16

[quote=“EOD”]
Do you use Yugoslav ammo?[/quote]

Yes, we do.
We have four types of it:
TZO M57: HEI-T-SD,
TZ M57: HEI-SD
ZAP M60: API
and blank


#17

Hi

OK, I didn’t know…

The second black cartridge (behind the 20x82) is a 20x110


#18

[quote=“gravelbelly”][quote=“EOD”][quote=“JMG”]HI
EOD - South Africa’s lates AMR (Truvelo SR20) is in 20x82 (MG151).[/quote]

Sorry the new one is in 20x110 HS404. I have seen it on the 2006 EUROSATORY in Paris and talked to the guys about the ammo.

[/quote]

EOD,

The photo that you posted does not show 20X110mm cartridges, they look more like 20X82mm.

gravelbelly[/quote]

Gravelbelly, take a closer look, the cartrdige between the 20x82 MG 151 SAPI and the scope is a 20x110 HS404 (painted all black).
There are also commercial flyers from that company showing the 20x110 version.
As said, no doubt about that since the South Africans had problems with ammo supply at that time (summer 2006). They had plenty of 1950’s British made cartridges but they had poor ballistics (air force stocks, expired shelf life) and were using Yugoslav ammo during the development - without even knowing it was Yugoslav and that the ammo they had been using came from war capture in Angola in the 1980’s.


#19

Here the info: (note the Yugoslav ammo there)


#20

[quote=“JMG”]Hi

CY : is SLOBODA in Cacak - Serbia
77 : 1977
34 : n