As all who have read this thread know, I posted another thread with some questions about a certain person named “Rohde” titled specifically to draw the attention of our Danish friends, who responded quickly and with important information. I will try to incorporate the question, their answer, and my own thoughts regarding the answer, on this thread, for continuity, since it has turned into a very good thread of Schouboe pistols and ammunition, thanks to all who have contributed.
I am also not finished researching this. I have some personal emails to write for more information, if available, but I want to get this part done now, while fresh in my mind, and to keep this single reply from being super long. It will be long enough, I fear, as it is, with some verbatim repetition of material from the “Rohde” question I asked.
Our colleague “mrea” led us to more research looking for the significance of the entry “Revolver Kal. 11.35 mm Rohde Copenhagen” under the case numbers 192 thru 192C in the DWM Case Register. The cartridge specifically identified as such is the rimless version - DWM 192B - commonly found as a headstamp on cartridges known to have been for the 11.35 mm Schouboe self-loading pistol.
Having heard in the past that the case number “192B” was actually for a revolver cartridge, and that DWM had simply used this headstamp as a matter of conveninece and similar characteristics to identify the Schouboe ammunition, my own lack of familiarity with early European revolvers left me without motive to pursue that thought, since at the time, I had never seen copies of the real DWM Case Registers (only the reconstructed version).
There is little question that the cartridge DWM 192B in the form as we best know it today was intended for a pistol, not a revolver. We have a 100-round cartridge box from DWM for the 11.35 mm Schouboe cartridge “K DWM K 192B.” with CN FMJ RN bullet, large primer version, labeled only “100 Stk. Skarpa Patroner til Rekylpistol.”
So, the question we posed to our Danish Friends, Mausernut and Torben Ohms, about a “Rohde, Copenhagen,” was if they who this man was.
There answer was illuminating, and indicated to me that while of course the DWM Case Register entries are correct within the scope of that company’s sales records, it is misleading to those of us interested in the history of the guns used with the ammunition in question.
“Mausernut” (Soren) told us that the ame Rohde is not a very rare name in Denmark, and that the records of the famous Tøjhusmuseet in Copenhagen, which I had the distinct pleasure of visiting years ago, did not reveal anything about a man of this name. Schouboe, Captain Jessen, Rasmussen and Madsen were all represented with their inventions, but no “Rohde.”
Soren hit it right on the head when he postulated that Rohde could have been an importer of ammunition (also mentioning that it was possible he was an engineer at DRS involved in improving one of Schouboe’s pistols, after he left the firm. This proved unlikely).
Torben Ohms responded to Mausernut and to me separately, by PM, and told us that “Rohde was a Captain in the Army while he (also) had his own business importing DWM ammunition, inclduing 11 mm and Kal. 25 both for Shouboe, so there’s never made a Rohde revolver.” I have since questioned Ohm about documentation of a Schouboe in .25 caliber, since we still have none at hand. That I will research later in the Auto Pistol Collecting fraternity.
Now, my thoughts on the entry in the DWM case register, and why it reads like it does. Firstly, we have mentioned a propensity for Europeans, especially from the early days of self-loading pistols, to use the word “Revolver” as synonymous to any type of contemporary handgun. Now, the entyr reads precisely “Revolver Kal. 11.35 mm Rohde Copenhagen.” Very short and from the view of DWM, to the point for the room allowed for comment in such a manufacturing record. Read carefully, it says nothing about a Rohde Revolver. It simply gives the caliber of the “Revolver” cartridge, and then mentions a name and location, “Rohde Copenhagen.”
We would suggest that if this entry was written out in a full sentence, using today’s terminology, that it would read. in regard to case number 192B, “This 11.35 mm Self-loading pistol (selbslade Pistole) cartridge was manufactured on contract for the firm of Rohde, in Copenhagen, Denmark.” In short, I believe we have misinterpreted the original, abbreviated entry, something that DWM would not have done since they well knew the style of the entries they made into the Case Register.
This is conjecture of course. There is ZERO way to prove such a hypothesis, as we cannot look into the mind of the person who wrote this entry. However, for myself, I am ninety percent, or more, sure that the interpretation I have made is the correct and a logical answer to this entry; that there was no “Rohde Revolver”; and that the ammunition described in the entry was, in truth, the 11.35 mm Shouboe cartridge.
Regarding the term “.450 Revolver” used with the basic “192” entry in the register, I have no explanation for the use of the inch measurement. However, there is a SFM drawing that also refers to the Shouboe cartridge itself - DWM 192B and complete with a drawing of that headstamp - that is also titled “.450 Revlver cartridge.” I believe that again, the use of the word "revolver’ in that case is a generic descrition of a handgun cartridge.
Again, please post any comments regarding this thread, or the thread asking about Rohde, her, and not on the “Rohde” thread.