.280 British/TADEN m.g


#1

Are there any (preferably closeup) photos of one or more .280 British cartridges in the metallic links for the TADEN machine gun?


#2

I will post a picture of the .280/30 in a Taden link, but I am off to France shortly and will not be back until Monday. I will post it then.

Regards
TonyE


#3

Can we clarify the correct name for this MG, was it TADEN or TARDEN, I have seen both versions in different places. A video clip reputed to be of the TADEN firing showed (not very clearly) that it was being fed by a metallic belt rather than disintegrating links. There was also a TURPIN SFMG X11E4(Sustained Fire Machine Gun) in 7.62mm NATO, circa 1954-58, which used an MG34/42 type belt. I have got just a three link fragment of this belt.

gravelbelly


#4

Dave - are you refering to the video on the Pathe site? That site also shows the EM2 and the .280 Garand and Browning MG.

I will post the picture of what I was told was a Taden link later.
Cheers
Tony


#5

Here are what I believe to be Taden links. I acquired these some years ago from Herb W.

BTW, it seems to be TADEN and not Tarden, so I will correct my previous mis spelling.

Regards
TonyE


#6

Hello,

I don’t think these are the TADEN links.

These links are designated “Type Europe” for 7.62x51 Nato rounds.

They are one of the numerous experiments conducted by Nato in 1959-1960 to design a universal link which would feed all Nato countries machine guns : US M60, German MG3, Belgian/UK MAG, French AA52.

Cheers,

JFL


#7

[quote=“TonyE”]Here are what I believe to be Taden links.

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Tony, I appreciate you taking the time to get that photo up. However, side-by-side comparison of that link to the “Type Europe” 7.62x51 link (posted by JFL) shows it to be identical to the latter. I’d think that the head-to-shoulder dimension of the .280/30 case would require a shorter link?

Stan


#8

Now I am no expert but the video’s I have seen of the .280 TADEN MG dont have a disintegrating link when fired the belt stay’s intact ??? & those look like a disintegrating link

Rich.


#9

I think you’re correct on both counts.

youtube.com/watch?v=wtjVf724G7w


#10

The TADEN used a 250-round non desintegrating belt.

Here is a fragment of the TADEN belt as I pictured in Herb Woodend’s collection.

Cheers,

JFL


#11

Thanks for the info JF. I was obviously mistaken so my apologies fro the earlier misinformation. I must have wrongly remembered what Herb told me (age you know!).

Now that you have posted the picture of the correct belt, I remember seeing it in his collection.

Regards
TonyE


#12

[quote=“JFL”]The TADEN used a 250-round non desintegrating belt.

Here is a fragment of the TADEN belt as I pictured in Herb Woodend’s collection.

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Many thanks for posting that photo.

Stan


#13

details moved to a now topic
http://iaaforum.org/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=7474


#14

Hello,

asking for id of these interesting links under the heading of TADEN links is confusing and will make further reference difficult.

I would suggest you create a new thread with the question, … and I will answer :-)

Cheers,

JFL


#15

Anyone got a picture of the Taden weapon to post here? Not familiar with it. Can’t divorce ammunition from the guns that use it.

I agree with the view about posting the other “link question” as a new thread.

John Moss


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#17

Thank you. With the bipod and the carrying handle, reminiscent of the Bren Gun, I assume there was some sort of accessory butt stock that could be attached? Or, maybe with the “Spad” grip, it didn’t need one?

John Moss


#18

My understanding is that it is a modified BREN, which would explain the resemblance. Since the TADEN was only a prototype, it may be that they never got around to fitting it with a shoulder stock. Or perhaps due to the tripod mounting, they thought that spade grips were a better choice?


#19

My understanding is the TADEN would of been a replacement for the Vickers, its purpose was substained fire from a fixed position. The Bren Gun would have still been in use side by side with the TADEN, both firing the .280 round along with the EM2. The TADEN is a modified Bren, that way it can utilize the vast mounts of accessories they already had for the Bren.