2x 8x50R Lebel Maker ID


#1

Please could someone ID the manufacturers of the following 8x50R Lebel rounds:

  1. Ball round, Headstamped:

-\ART.D/
4-------13
-/A.RS.S\

Bullet base markings: A.VIS J 2.15

  1. Dummy round made from base of cut off case, turned dowel and brass cap over wooden “bullet”. Headstamped:

-\ART/
2-----90
-/Px L\

Also, what does “ART.D” and “ART” mean?


#2

ART means “Artillerie” (Artillery) which depended manufacturing of munitions until 1918.

D is added for the cartridge 1886D with D


#3

[quote=“Maverick1112003”]ART means “Artillerie” (Artillery) which depended manufacturing of munitions until 1918.

Michel[/quote]
What do you mean by this? Is this the name of the organisation reponsible for manufacture of munitions?

Thanks for answering the questions on the makers.


#4

[quote=“Falcon”][quote=“Maverick1112003”]ART means “Artillerie” (Artillery) which depended manufacturing of munitions until 1918.

Michel[/quote]
What do you mean by this? Is this the name of the organisation reponsible for manufacture of munitions?[/quote]

The artillery was responsible for the manufacture of all ammunitions : 37mm, 75mm, 155,… for itself and 8mm for the infantry.


#5

[quote=“Maverick1112003”]
The artillery was responsible for the manufacture of all ammunitions : 37mm, 75mm, 155,… for itself and 8mm for the infantry.[/quote]
By “artillery” do you mean Artillery Factory or the Artillery Unit of the French Army?


#6

The “Art. D” round was loaded with a solid bronze boat-tail bullet that was known for its impressive penetration during WW1. “Artillery” in this use meant simply that the round was approved and adopted by the military overseers for military use, similar to saying “M193” in US service, or “L2A2” in UK service.


#7

[quote=“Falcon”][quote=“Maverick1112003”]
The artillery was responsible for the manufacture of all ammunitions : 37mm, 75mm, 155,… for itself and 8mm for the infantry.[/quote]
By “artillery” do you mean Artillery Factory or the Artillery Unit of the French Army?[/quote]

It is the Artillery Unit of the French Army (“Direction de l’artillerie” which may result in “management of artillery” or “office of artillery”)


#8

Thanks everyone for your help.