.30-06 an-m2?


#1

What does “AN-M2” mean in reference to .30-06 ball ammunition? Cartridges in question are headstamped “W C C 5 5” or “W C C 5 8”, I can’t recall exactly…

AKMS


#2

AKMS

AN means Army - Navy. M2 is M2.

Ray


#3

Thanks for asking that question AKMS. I NEVER knew that. I always thought M2 is M3. Ray made me smarter today. Thanks, Ray.


#4

OK. M2 refers to the Cal .30 Ball M2, not the M2 MG. The AN ammo is designed for the M1919 .30 caliber M2 AN (Army-Navy) aircraft machine gun. Don’t ask me what the difference is because I don’t know.

I am now sorry that I answered this. ;)

Ray


#5

LOLing


#6

YASNY (You ain’t seen nothing yet). For my next trick I will explain how electricity works.


#7

I did not realize that the AN- machinegun was still in service by the mid to late 1950s. If this ammunition was specifically manufactured for use in this type of machinegun, why pack it in 20 rd cardboard boxes? Surely they were not still hand-linking ammo for this gun! COuld it have been for a foreign contract? I know the AN- machinegun has a very high cyclic rate. Maybe the ammunition is manufactured in some way to accommodate this? Stronger case head or something? Any value to a very nice, but not pristine box of this ammo besides as M-1 Garand fodder?

AKMS


#8

AKMS

You may very well be right. It was a couple of years ago when I searched around trying to find a connection to the FN converted M1919 AN and, as I remember, there was a blurb on Wiki or some other site that I googled tying the two together. It could very well have been wrong. Hopefully, someone more knowledgeable than me may chime in.

Boxes of the AN M2 ammo are fairly common. I often see them on GB and AA.

Ray


#9

Ask this guy:


#10

I was not going to chime in on this, because 30-06 is outside of my field, but seeing the picture of the handsome and great Mr. Chris Punnett, and the lovely Beth Woodin seated next to him, I remembered to see if what i thought about “AN” had any merit be looking at his book.

I had thought that the “AN” simply meant, as Ray first said, “Army-Navy” and only meant that the M2 ammunition had been approved and accepted for use by both the Army and the Navy. Although it is NOT what Ray said, one might get the impression from this thread that it was loaded specifically for the M1919 Navy Aircraft version of the Browning .30 Machine Gun. It does not appear that is true. Chris’ book agrees with what I thought. It was put on later boxes indicating the Army and the Navy had approved the round for use.

While I don’t know how long the machine gun in question was used, that might answer questions of ammo being marked “AN-M2” after the gun in question was no longer in use. Again, I don’t know if the gun was still in use when the box of ammo, about which this thread started, was made or not. I only know the M1k19A4 and M1919A6 versions of the Browning MG, from use in the Army.

Nothing new here - just a clarification.

John Moss


#11

John

I think that your explanation is the correct one. It’s what I first said in response to AKMS’s question but then I recalled reading about AN M2 being connected to the M1919 and so I added to my comment. I probably should not have done that because it only started a chain of confusion.

AKMS

Last evening I noticed at least 7 boxes of AN M2 for sale on the auction sites. The ads have been there for quite a while with no bids.

Ray


#12

Ray - There was absolutely nothing incorrect in what you said, but I could see from what followed that it was
read into your words that the AN-M2 was ONLY for the Browning 1919 Navy Aircraft gun, even though you didn’t say that.

My impression was that these .30-06 “AN-M2” boxes were pretty common, although I was not sure of that. I know that I have had them, but I used to shoot up any NC .30-06 in my Garands or Springfields, and never kept the boxes - garbage can. Now, I tend to keep any military box in case someone needs it. I also pick anything that looks unusual out of the garbage cans at the range, speaking of which, got to get out of here. My weeekend in the “RO Barrel” for a cowboy match. Setup today, shoot tomorrown. Pouring today and probably tomorrow. Gettin’ too old for this foul-weather shooting.