.30-06 "fa 25r"


#1

Chris’ book said that FA experimented with non-corrosive Berdan priming and the 1st headstamp was “FA 26R”. So, what is this “FA25R”?


#2

Vlad,

pls have another carefull read.
You are mixing up FA 25R with FA 26 SPL and FA 26 B11

Maybe you can show a picture of the bullet as well, but your cartridge is most likely a:
1925 National - , Palma - or International match cartridge.
The same headstamp was also used for the 1926 Int & Palma matches.
There were no National matches in 1926.
Also lots of NUPE cases with FA 25R were available for shooters so you might
come across some “handloads” as well.
I have never seen a FA 26 R ( but that doesn’t mean anything, of course)

cheers
René


#3

Another collector wrote the following to me:
Vlad

FA 25 R means the case has a “Rifle” anneal. That meant that cases had a harder case head and rim than the standard ammunition. Machine guns tended to pull the case head off and so the standard cases were made with a softer anneal.

The R is usually associated with Match ammunition.


#4

What is NUPE?


#5

A “NUPE” is a New UnPrimed Empty" cartridge case. “UPE” = UnPrimed Empty, fired, with spent primer removed (If it hadn’t been fired it would be New). “NPE” = New Primed Empty. “NOPE” is what my wife said last night.


#6

here is a full box of NPE’s
Headstamp FA 25 R

Mel,
regarding NOPE, try another primer . . . . .


#7

Unfortunately, mine came in this box, also about half are other WWI headstamps. I guess I got NPE, better than Mel’s choice.


#8

Thanks, FlyingDutchman, I was literally on a wrong page (of the book). I found this paper cup inside the neck of “FA 10 10”. I assume it is the original wad.


#9

Hi Vlad,

your picture shows an early M1909 blank.
The wad has come out but you can still see the neck crimp.
Are there any labels / printings on your box ?
It seems to be a box for 40 shells which I have not seen before.
Not sure if this is an original box.

Any chance to PM me the various headstamps that are included ?

Thanks
René


#10

Here are all the headstamps inside this box. The box itself has nothing on it, not a word. Looks like it was designed to hold about 40 rounds, if it’s ammo box at all.


#11

Vlad
check out the bullet in the FA 18, could be an experimental.


#12

Pete,

I think the box only contains (primed) cases and no cartridges

rgds
René


#13

René is right, no projectiles here but… I fished this out of unrelated bag. It is probably a reload. May someone offer a very very concise primer on .30-06 experimental projectiles. How to tell an experimental from an old reload? They look so similar. Chris’ book is good but I have problems visualizing some descriptions.


#14

To my opinion, that is a gallery load. Most of those are reloads.
Maybe this is a Winchester Primer, but I am sure there are others who know that better

rgds
René