Here is the reply I received from the seller.
Interesting in that it offers no proof at all to his claims.
You may judge for yourself.
The foloowing now appears with the Raufoss ammo auctions that I have up and will appear with the bullet auctions starting next week (can’t modifiy auctions that already have bids on them).
I have had some emails as of late regarding these rounds and the corresponding Raufoss bullets that I have up for auction. It seems the internet/office-chair warriors are split on their opinions and beliefs of support for or against whether or not .30 cal. (.308 dia.) Raufoss is real. Individually answering has become quite time consuming and I feel the best way to approach the subject is by relating my thoughts and considered opinion along with each auction.
Let me begin by saying I am no “babe in the woods”. I have been collecting and involved in the ammunition world for around 25 years now. I have seen a lot (real, not real, original and not original, etc., etc., on and on). At this point, I have acquired quite a sharp eye for spotting the little details that help make a determining difference.
As I have already stated with each auction, I was for many years a firm believer that the ‘gun-show’ rumor of .30 cal. Raufoss was just that a rumor and that they did not exist. When I found these rounds I was intrigued but very skeptical of the badly worn dual color paint on the tips that happened to be the correct paint colors for Raufoss (white and sea foam green). I have had some people email me (very violently I might add) believing that these bullets are old, re-sized German 7.92 ZP (.323 dia.) or Russian 7.62x45R PZ bullets. I admit there is a real resemblance to the old Russian PZ bullets of certain years (though the design and make-up of PZ has changed somewhat throughout the years); however, the Russian bullets are .311 dia. and the bullets I have are .308 dia. and do not have any of the little tell tail signs that would suggest they were ever anything but .308 dia. bullets.
As for design, I suspect that speculation on this matter will most likely run wild forever in the internet forums. I can say that I have dealt with ammo (in detail) from all over the world and that very much includes ammunition of all types from Finland, Norway, Sweden and Switzerland. This certainly wouldn’t be the first time that a design or military product came from this region of the world that was sold to both sides or was resurrected, re-designated or otherwise re-packaged after the collapse of the Soviet Union and sold to the West. This area of the world has a definite history of supplying as well as using weapons and ammunition from both sides.
To sum it up, based on my years of experience and what I observed of the original condition of these rounds and bullets (before cleaning and re-spec), I believe them to be original, made to .308 cal. bullets and legitimate in their tip color denoting the western designation of Raufoss. They are definitely, factually, the most complex .308 dia. bullets ever made and (in the case of the .30-06 ammo) are loaded in the precise manor typical of Lapua manufacture. If they are a design originally used by another country under a different designation that is not all that uncommon and to me even a bit more intriguing. In the end, anything can be debated until the end of time but the bottom line is the same as for anything in life… one must avail themselves of the information that they believe is pertinent to a subject, form their own opinion and make their own decision.
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Sure those are not repainted Russian “PZ” projectiles?
The section projectile looks like the diagram in my refference book.
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