303 British query


#1

Not mine unfortunately but a fellow collector asked me to put this on the forum. 303 British case with a brass screw-in base that is about two thirds of the length of the case. It reaches up to the shoulder on the inside.

Thanks
Daan
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#2

Here you go Daan;

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#3

Thanks Jim. Another one to tick off the list


#4

May have put this info in the old thread.

These strange rounds were in fact manufactured at SAAF Footscray in Melbourne, around 1956/57 for use at the Moscow World Cup in the running deer event. They are not headstamped because they were not to be loaded at the factory.
We had 4 shooters for the event, using a number of different rifles including a P14 and a modified Garand.
The projectile used was 100 grain, supposed to run at 3500 fps, made by Sid Churches in Adelaide, South Australia. Powder used was 4227.

As said, they were not successful due to insufficient powder space in the case.
Military or commercial??? Commercial, manufactured at a military factory.

Edited: Moscow Olympics incorrect, had a brain explosion.

Cheers
John


#5

Could it be Moscow World Championship? The next Olympic Games after 56/56 were Rome 1960. Moscow came in 1980 and was boycotted by the West because of Afghanistan.


#6

For a Bit of Chronology, after the Aussie Team saw the Russian Running Deer Rifles (Converted M1910 Ross Rifles, ex-Estonia 1940 Ex-Britain 1919) at the Melbourne Olympics, the Aussie team got a Garand converted to Straight Pull, rimmed (.303) case firing using a Light Bullet ( 100 grains, If I remember.). The Cases (several types, rear Primer ignition, forward (tube) primer Ignition, etc) made up by the Tool room of MF Footscray, for Possible use at the Moscow World Cup ( 1958). None were successful, and at the 1960 Olympics, the team reverted to classic Bolt rifles.

I had the chance to speak with a Retired Melbourne Engineer from the 1950s, whose company did the Garand Conversion (they were precision Machinists of Ordnance sights etc for the D^D) back in the early 1990s. He said that only one Garand was converted, and it had issues with feed of the rimmed .303 cases, etc.

That Garand is who knows where?? also, one of the Russian Ross rifles was “Liberated” back in 1956 ( along with the entire Hungarian Olympic Team) and is still somewhere in Australia (cal 6,35?/6,5?x54R RD).

Doc AV


#7

[quote=“JohnKindred”]May have put this info in the old thread.

These strange rounds were in fact manufactured at SAAF Footscray in Melbourne, around 1956/57 for use at the Moscow World Cup in the running deer event. They are not headstamped because they were not to be loaded at the factory.
We had 4 shooters for the event, using a number of different rifles including a P14 and a modified Garand.
The projectile used was 100 grain, supposed to run at 3500 fps, made by Sid Churches in Adelaide, South Australia. Powder used was 4227.

As said, they were not successful due to insufficient powder space in the case.
Military or commercial??? Commercial, manufactured at a military factory.

Edited: Moscow Olympics incorrect, had a brain explosion.

Cheers
John[/quote]