35 mm signal ammo - Polish Air Force

Signal ammunition in caliber 35mm was used and produced in Poland during years 1918-1939.

Ammunition caliber 35 mm was used ammunition was used in Polish Air Force.

In the first time ammunition was imported from France, after 1925 in the next years was made in Poland by Wytwórnia Amunicji nr1

I search more information about this. Maybe in the collection exist this cartridges with signature and markings.


Weapons used for this ammunition:

  • pistol signal wz.17 (?) – french Mle 1917
  • pistol signal wz.18 (?) - french Mle 1918
  • pistolet sygnałowy systemu PERKUN wz.26
  • pistolet sygnałowy systemu PERKUN wz.34
  • pistolet sygnałowy wz. 36


http://www.dws-xip.pl/wojna/bron/polska/p10.html

hello !
35 mm or 25 mm ?

And if 35 mm which french maker did manufacture them ??

jp

Caliber 35mm.

Who made? I don’t know exactly but supplies were from RUGGIERI Paris?

In this small info about french signal pistol 35mm.
But I can’t find any info about french ammunition in this calibre.

GAZETTE DES ARMES N°139 MARS 1985
http://fr.1001mags.com/parution/gazette-des-armes/numero-139-mars-1985/page-30-31-texte-integral

thanks

Ruggieri used to load the ctges with flare components but didn’t make the cases.
I don’t think their biggest cases supplier was SFM because I didn’t find drawings of them.
I would say Cartoucherie fFrancaise if they are paper shells.
Ilf Aluminium shells I don’t know

JP

RJB,
thank you for the very interesting entry. I had no idea 35 mm signal ammunition existed.

HISTORY OF MILITARY PYROTECHNICSIN WORLD WAR
http://www.lexpev.nl/downloads/ww1pyrotechnics1920.pdf

is some info about american 35 mm signal ammunition :)
Of course later this ammo was renaming to 37mm but first in nomenclature name was 35mm.

CARTRIDGE FOR 35-MILLIMETER SIGNAL PISTOL (PYROTECHNICS).
This cartridge was used for signaling purposes in aviation in conjunction
with the 35-millimeter signal pistol (aviation). Twenty
different types of 35-millimeter cartridges were authorized in the
pyrotechnics program but no contracts were awarded, as before the
production was started in the United States the caliber was changed
to 25 millimeters. In general it may be said that the cartridges
for use in the same pistol, while of the same caliber, were not all of
the same length; in fact, the ends of some of the cartridges would extend
far beyond the muzzle of the pistol. The difference in length was
due to the quantity of pyrotechnic material which was called for
by the type of signal for which the cartridge was used; that is, the
length of the caterpillar or the number of stars. For aviation work
it was not necessary to have any considerable amount of propelling
charge in the cartridge, as the altitude was provided for by the plane
being in the air, and it was only necessary to propel the signal a
short distance clear of the plane. For Very pistol cartridges tc be
used from the ground, however, a stronger propelling charge was
necessary in order to provide for the functioning of the signal at the
proper altitude.
- In a letter dated September 1]9, 191,9, from the Engineering Division
of the American Expeditionary Forces regarding these cartridges,
the point is brought out that at that time the French were using a
signal burning first in one color and then changing to another color
and that the adoption of this changing type was not known to the
American Expeditionary Forces until it was actually in service. The
thought expressed by the American Expeditionary Forces was that
there was a chance that one of the colors might not function and that
thus the proper signal would not appear and a serious misunderstanding
might result. This brings to mind the reference to the
uncertainty in the operation of some of the military pyrotechnics
through catalytic action, and possibly through dampness, as referred
to in a previous part of this chapter.

Photos: Polish 35 mm signal ammunition :

Rufus

and little info about french signal ammo 35 mm from 1917

Notice sur les artifices à signaux et éclairants et leurs engins de lancement : annexe XIV à l’instruction sur la liaison du 12 décembre 1916 / Grand quartier général des armées du nord et du nord-est, Etat major, 3e bureau

Pjotr, is that manual downloadable? I can not find any way to do.

on the right push:
Consulter en ligne

or this way: on position 5.

http://gallica.bnf.fr/services/engine/search/sru?operation=searchRetrieve&version=1.2&query=(gallica%20adj%20"PISTOLET%20SIGNALEUR%20DE%2035")&suggest=0

Ok, thanks, got it now!

Reklam RUGGIERI from 1925

CARTOUCHES - SIGNAUX pour VARMEE et l’AVIATION

view on inside polish plane PZL 23b Karaś equipment ammo i pistol signal cal. 35mm

next position to read

NOTES ON SIGNAL AND ILLUMINATINGDEVICES AND APPARATUS FOR PROJECTING THEM. (1917)
http://bulletpicker.com/pdf/ODN596,%20Notes%20on%20Signal%20and%20Illuminating%20Devices.pdf

Similar caliber like in polish ammo was used too in Tschechsloviakia before IIWW

Caliber was similar 34,5mm but construction ammo was different.

This is articles about this ammo from Strelecka Revue
http://www.streleckarevue.cz/kategorie.aspx/archiv-clanku/upload/archiv_clanku2/sig_pi_2.pdf
http://www.streleckarevue.cz/kategorie.aspx/archiv-clanku/upload/archiv_clanku2/sig_pi_3.pdf

and from naboje.org:
náboj ráže 34,5mm pro raketovou pistoli VZ 28