.410 Schientot shells


#1

Does anyone have any .410 “Schientot” / Schientod sp.? shells which they might be able to measure the diameter close to the brass? The hulls are paper, and I was under the impression that they were virtually interchangeable with modern .410, but I just acquired a S&W Governor a few days ago and my specimen of .410 Schientot would only fit about 90% of the hull into the chamber.

I’m only curious because I wanted to make a more definitive list of all the obscure collector cartridges which will fit & function safely in a Governor revolver.

So far I have:

.45acp
.45acp +P
.45 Colt
.45 Colt +P (some loads)
.410 shells (2.50" 0r 2.00")
.45 S&W Schofield
.45 GAP
.450 SMC / .45 Super (depends on load)
.450 Autobond
.45 Colt Lehigh M.E. (proprietary load / long O.A.L.)
.450 revolver (.450 adams / corto) (blanks & shot only)
.45 auto shot (long paper shot hull)
.45 Remington-Thomposn (1923)
.45acp short
.45 Colt Government

Cartridges that chamber but should not, or will not fire in a Governor:

.460 Rowland (too powerful)
.45 Auto Rim (wrong rim)
.460 S&W (too powerful)
.454 Casull (too powerful)
.45 Winmag (too powerful)
.410 3.00" (too long)
.444 Marlin (too powerful / wrong rim)


#2

The exact denomination is SCHEINTOD, not Schientot please!

PR


#3

Stuka is right about the brand name.

I was under the impression that this brand solely refers to tear gas cartridges and pistols. Are you sure there is a shotgun shell bearing this name? The translation is “apparent death” in the sense that a person is assumed to be dead but in reality is not. I always took it for ehm… marketing language describing the effect of the tear gas products.

There is a word “scheintot” for “seemingly dead”, but the brand name is as Stuka wrote. In German tot=dead, Tod=death.

P.S. “Schein” is prononunced like the English “shine” and “tod” as well as “tot” more or less as in total: shine-tot.


#4

I am afraid that both “Scheintot” and “Scheintod” are correct, but it seems that the former designation was only used in early products, like single shot pistols and cartridges by H. Burgsmüller & Sohne introduced in 1910. The Adolph Frank 1911 catalog shows both names.


#5

Mine is not the variation with case print, however the headstamp is 410 at 6, 1.92" oal., 536" rim,.472 head & at orange paper / brass joint .455" the mouth is out-of-round but the topwad is black.

My understanding of these is that they were loaded with a black pepper type of mixture, to disarm rather than kill.


#6

Thanks Pete, and others. I had heard that these were either a pepper mixture, or a tobacco dust mixture.