.43 Sp. Rem. (?) ID


#1

I am guessing this to be a .43 Spanish Remington. Also, please help with the headstamp: “PMH 96”. I can’t find that one.

Thanks,
Dave


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#2

this should help
Military Pyrotechnics Havana (Spanish colony of Cuba, at the time). 1896


#3

Carolyn,

Thank you for that ID. I think this one is my first Cuban cartridge!

Dave


#4

The initials PMH come from the Spanish form: Pirotecnico Militar de Habana. Iit could be Pirotecnicos Militares de Habana - I am not sure if it is expressed in the singular or plural, as I don’t recall ever seeing the name in a primary source.


#5

Correct spanish name is “Pirotécnia Militar de La Habana”. Correct english translation is “Havana’s Military Pyrotechnics”


#6

That’s right, but without the accent over the “e” in Pirotecnia.


#7

Isn’t it odd that the pictured cartridge appears to be an 11 m/m Spanish Remington rather than an 11 m/m Reformado? I ask the question in part because I have an Havana-produced round with the Remington case shape (i.e. a distinct bottleneck) but loaded with a brass jacketed bullet. Were they in fact producing both types in 1896? Jack


#8

deleated by pbutler


#9

Fede and Schneider - I see my mistake. Pirotecnia is the noun and pyroténico is the adjective form, even though both mean the same thing, a maker of pyrotechnics. Sorry about that. My Spanish gets poorer and poorer with litlle use of it since I retired 10 years ago.


#10

Jack - I have a number of P M H 94/95/96 cartridges, both tapered and bottlenecked cases, loaded with the brass covered “Reformado” style bullet. The overall cartridge and case lengths vary all over the place!!



#11

Phil: Yes, the specimen I mentioned looks like your last cartridge, oil-dented shoulder and all. I wonder if all this doesn’t suggest that after Spain lost Cuba in 1898 the Havana facility was operated by “local interests” whose background in cartridge assembly wasn’t of a high order. I’ve seen pics of sealed boxes of cartridges produced here under Spanish authority and wonder if the contents of those boxes aren’t tidier looking than these. Thanks, Jack