Since this thread has drifted beyond the dummy round I decided to post also. Quite some time ago, through a mutual friend, I met a senior engineer from the company who made these cartridges. He was delivering a few samples to our common friend. I asked him the obvious question, “did they make them in 9x19mm?” He said they had, but only for experimental tests. The 9mm bullet didn’t carry enough HE to make the round effective. He did offer to chase through the engineers desks to see if he could find an example. About a year later, I received a package from him that he couldn’t find any of the 9x19mm items, or even any left over components or documentation he could share. He did enclose a couple of 45 HE rounds as a consultation prize and note. I had only seen the 45s once before this and. I didn’t pay much attention to these two items. I put them away as good trade rounds and forgot about them.
Not too long ago I ran across them again and looked at them more closely. The first thing I noticed is that both rounds were headstamped WRA 53, and that one didn’t have the crimps in the bullet tip. It appears he found a couple of the early test/experimental 45s.
I have no idea of what this engineers name was, and have even forgotten the company since they didn’t make any 9x19mm as far as I know. I did get the impression that this effort was from the mid-late 1960s.
I mentioned these to Bill W shortly before he died and he said he had never seen or heard of them!
I do know that these rounds were not made by Winchester, but another contractor, and were not made for the Army but for the Agency. The engineer was very clear that this was a CIA project. This is not an error in HWS III but, I believe) a deliberate effort to avoid classification problems. There are a number of items that were made for the Agency but attributed in HWS to other government activities.
The first time I saw these rounds was in the very early 70s when I visited MAC (previously Sionics) in Atlanta. A member of the owners family showed me through the “play room” full of strange ammo. They had of the gray cans shown above. They had apparently done some testing and these were the leftovers. He didn’t offer me a sample. He did showed me a .22LR with a strange (to me) bullet which he said was also a .006 sec delay HE round. He also showed me a photo of a selective fire weapon not much bigger than a man’s hand that was the silenced weapon this round was designed for. It was associated with the 45 project and for the same customer. They had test it also. He had some rounds and gave me one but would not make me a copy of the pistol photo. Of course I passed it to Bill W along with the story. I assume it is still in Bill’s collection, but is unlikely to be easily identified since I have since seen a similar shape bullet on commercial .22 ammunition.