577-450 MH Green patch?


#1

Howdy Folks, what does a Green Paper patch on a Mark 3 Foil case MH Rifle round signify ,is this a later Cordite load ? Thanks Randy


#2

Yes, Green patch is rifle cordite. I presume the headstamp is “KYNOCH 577/450”?

Kynoch loaded these up until the 1960s.

Regards
TonyE


#3

Green patch on a solid case was cordite carbine but I am unaware of any green patch on a foil or coiled case MH ctg.


#4

I agree with Orange on this one, Carbine Cordite in a solid case. In foil case the deep red patch signifies Carbine but always with black powder. Never seen green paper patch in a foil case.


#5

these rounds have no headstamp as I said they are Mark 3 foil cases, I have 3 of them and they are definitley factory Rifle with 2 neck ring crimps,these rounds have Iron bases regards Randy


#6

My error, I should have said Carbine Cordite for green patch.

I would be very interested to see one of these rounds. Are you going to SLICS?
I understand your description, but even though the case may be rolled, “Mark III” only applies to the blackpowder loaded Mark III rifle round.

Just as a final check, does the round have the short carbine bullet?

Regards
TonyE


#7

Hi Tony, These are definitely Mark 3 foil cases,what they contain is the mystery I am trying to solve ,I was aware of the Green patch on the Carbine rounds and it was a guess on my part that these rounds may contain a smokeless powder, the bullet is the 480gn. Rifle ,sorry I wont be at SLICS this year Randy


#8

Without seeing a picture, or even better an actual round I cannot help. The only rolled case cordite loads were those made by the Indian arsenals, and they had a white patch with black stripes for rifle and a red patch with black stripes for carbine.

Any chance of a photo?

Regards
TonyE


#9

These should be a Mark X by Footscray Ammunition Factory circa 1896.
Only ones I’m aware of, have an oval / round inspection hole, 2 brass base cups, and two impressed "V"s on the brass cap chamber as the government mark?
hope this is of help


#10

Hi Pete, thanks for your reply, yup thems my rounds , can you please tell me where there may be some published info on them ,I have been unable to find any thanks Randy


#11

Hi Randy
We had one in our sale 5 as lot 376 & probably got the information / ID from an Austrailian (#5 was Nov. of 2000). Not really seen anything in print other than my write-up for the sale, which follows:
By Footscray Ammunition Factory, this c. 1896 .577/ .450 M.H. Mark X has a copper primer in a brass cap chamber which has two impressed V


#12

Hi Pete, thanks for doing that. if I uncover any other info I will pass it on Randy