6.5Arisaka unknown headstamp


#1

Anybody to tell what the headstamp’s ID?


#2

IMG_20180804_151803 IMG_20180725_175420


#3

IMG_20180804_151328 and it was also be found on 7.92M88 cartridgeIMG_20180804_152756


#4

IMG_20180804_152701 IMG_20180804_152614 here is another version


#5

Wonderful headstamps! I don’t believe any of those were produced in Europe or Japan, but appear to be the work of pre-revolution Chinese workshops.


#6

Yes, they are 1930’s and early 1940’s Nationalist Chinese manufactured 6.5x50sr cartridges.
The six pointed star marking is the giveaway.
Someone familiar with the Chinese calendar could date them.


#7

Awesome images Sheng! Thanks a lot for sharing!


#8

I’ve appended below some photographs of two (inert) variations of the 6.5 x50 Japanese Arisaka from the Mukden Arsenal Manchuria (captured by communist forces 1948). The two headstamps indicate 1949 and 1950. Both of these have a five pointed star in a circle.

I’m interested to know if anyone can pinpoint when the changeover occured from a six point star (without a circle) to a five point star in a circle?

The appended photographs also show a prounounced three point primer crimp.
My ID if the hedstamps below came from: Cartridge Headstamp Guide by White & Munhall, Page 165.

Arisaka-50

The six point star has appeared in recent discussions regarding .380 headstamps and a ‘possibe’ origin ‘might’ be Georg Egestorff, Linden, Germany:

380-6star

380-6star%20(2)

Appreciate that your examples appear to be earlier than those appended above.

Apologies if I’m causing confusion by my questioning…I’ve still much to learn.

Sam3


#9

I would wonder if the cartridges at the beginning of this thread aren’t older than the 1930s. I say this because this caliber was loaded in China from an early date and also because of the presence of the round nosed bullet in the loaded specimen. Jack


#10

The Munición site has examples of the headstamps and bullet types under the heading:
6.5 x50 Arisaka.

http://municion.org/

Google Translate:
“The first rifle that used it was the model 30 (year 30 of the reign of Emperor Meiji, 1897) that used rounded bullets. Later it evolved in the model 30 of 1902 and the 38 of 1905, that already used conventional bullets of aerodynamic end.
As far as we know, hunting weapons have never been captured in this caliber.
In Spain there is a relatively large number of these rifles. During the civil war, rifles model 30, 35 and 38 were used. Their story is bizarre. Most of these weapons arrived with the first lots of Soviet aid, and were specimens captured during the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905 or ammunition that was made in Russia or acquired from England for those weapons during the first World War. The recovery service manual only shows rounded bullets, of the type used in 30. The manual for the rifles, however, describes only model 35.”

There is also information on the Type 30 and 38 at:
Cartridgecollector.net that includes headstamps.

http://cartridgecollector.net/65-x-50-japanese-arisaka-type-30

Regards,
Sam3


#11

the five point star in a circle as you say actually is combined letter “S” and “Y” . They are acronym of “ShenYang”,which is another name of Mukden.


#12

If they were made in China,They were probably manufactured during 1920’s(1922-1925)The republican period dating method should aid 11 years


#13

Elks does show a 6.5 m/m Arisaka headstamp in his Chinese cartridge book similar to the first pictured examples above. Considering the dates shown I would wonder if the six pointed star didn’t evolve into an asterisk in this series from the mid-1920s. Elks lists the manufacturer as unknown. Jack


#14

There are some additional examples, with headstamps, at the following:

https://militarycartridges.com/category/052-6-5mm-arisaka/

Sam3