6,5x54R Dutch Mannlicher made by FN


#1

If my identification is correct, this is a Scherpe patroon Nr.4 (short range cartridge) made by Dutch East Indies Pyrotechnical workshop for Colonial army.

As I understand, the headstamp is
FN - case brass supplier, and case was made by Artillerie-Inrichtingen
1 - Powder lot number
21 - Case production year
28 - Cartridge production year

Digits 1 and 28 was headstamped on this case later, after loading the cartridge at workshop

Please, correct me, if I make a mess. I am really not sure in my identification


#2

Treshkin: I believe your explanation of the headstamp is correct except that FN designates the actual manufacturer of the cartridge case. Jack


#3

Thank you, Jack!

Sorry, could you confirm that case manufacturer was FN, instead of AI? I am really need this info, and I don’t want to doubt you. I hope you understand me


#4

Treshkin: I can’t offer you written proof on that point. I will point out a couple of things that enter into my identification: one, most of the cartridges having the FN 21 or FN 22 headstamp are loaded with bullets having the basemark FN 22 (and, I assume, FN 21 tho I’ve never seen that marking). I think the bullet basemark is clearly a maker’s ID, so, by extension, I think the FN headstamp also identifies the maker. Also, there are known 9 m/m Luger cartridges headstamped 22 over K. It is my understanding these were produced by Kynoch for either the Dutch navy or for the KNIL. If these 9 m/m rounds were produced on Dutch or East Indies contracts they would tend to support the idea the 6.5 m/m cartridges have been headstamped in a similar manner. The older Dutch 6.5 m/m (pre 1920, I guess) usually have a headstamp consisting of two digits of the date at 12 o’clock and one or two letters at 6 o’clock. The letters represent a code for, as I understand it, the metal supplier. Jack


#5

Thank you very much for this info!


#6

Dear Treshkin,
I have Boxed &Clipped quantities of FN22/ Reload date 6,5 Dutch Ball ammo, which came from Indonesia; There is FN 22 Plain HS, and also FN22 with reload dates (done In Bandoeng or Netherlands).

The Clips came in a mixture of date clips, some FN and some AI, with various dates. All packed in the steel-corner-strip “wood print” Cardboard cartons of 50 rounds (10 clips) and 500 packed in a tinplate “Biscuit tin” with tar-based black paint, with a white stencilled Dutch Label on one side, and a similar stencil in Japanese on the otherside. The Packets came from an open tin…I have a sealed tin also.

Whether FN supplied also empty cases and projectiles for loading by AI, I don’t know, but they obviously supplied Loaded Ammo.

Regards,
Doc AV
AV Ballistics.


#7

TRhanks all for comments!