7.62 x 49.3 Pre Nato


#1

From left to right
Light green Alu case, no hstp
Brass case, F A 48
Brass case, F A * 48
Brass case, F A 49, orange tip

  1. Why the star in the third one hstp ?
  2. Which one is the scarcest ?
    Thanks
    JP

#2

I think the “*” means the case was drawn using a different number of steps.
I think the orange tip is a tracer T102.


#3

[quote=“craigt”]I think the “*” means the case was drawn using a different number of steps.
I think the orange tip is a tracer T102.[/quote]
Thanks.
So which one is the scarcest ?
JP


#4

Jean pierre

As I said in response to your question regarding the 47mm cartridges, it’s my own opinion that the Graphited Aluminum cartridges have the highest value.

H-W-S have suggested that the “star” in the FA 48 cases was used to identify the FAT1 case and to help in segregating headed draw pieces from the T65 and Cal 30 cases also being made in Arsenal shops. Whatever the meaning of the “star”, it was not always used in the manufacture of the FA 48 cases, obviously.


#5

Slt JP

A photo of the head of two 7.62x49
left : FA * 48
rigth : FA 48

the thickness of rim is different.

A connection with the headstamp * ?

Michel


#6

michel

The case on the left is the FAT1 and on the right is the FAT1E1. Both can be found with the FA 48 and FA 48 “star” headstamps.

The FAT1E1 was designed to prevent rim shears that were common with the FAT1 case.

You have a keen eye to have noticed the difference. Many FAT1 and FAT1E1 cartridges are intermixed by collectors who do not realize there is a difference.

Ray


#7

Interesting !
I didn’t remeber there were different rims !
thanks
jp


#8

Thank you for these details

Michel


#9

[quote=“Maverick1112003”]Slt JP

A photo of the head of two 7.62x49
left : FA * 48
rigth : FA 48

the thickness of rim is different.

Michel[/quote]
Hello Michel !
What are the values of the two rim thickness ?
JP


#10

[quote=“jean-pierre”][quote=“Maverick1112003”]Slt JP

A photo of the head of two 7.62x49
left : FA * 48
rigth : FA 48

the thickness of rim is different.

Michel[/quote]
Hello Michel !
What are the values of the two rim thickness ?
JP[/quote]

20 EUR (FA * 48) and 12 EUR (FA 48) (that is what I paid on AuctionArms)

Michel


#11

[Hello Michel !
What are the values of the two rim thickness ?
JP[/quote]

20 EUR (FA * 48) and 12 EUR (FA 48) (that is what I paid on AuctionArms)

Michel[/quote]

Lol!!!
thanks anyway.
But what I wanted to know what the thickness in mm !!!
Lol!!!
JP


#12

[quote=“jean-pierre”][Hello Michel !
What are the values of the two rim thickness ?
JP[/quote]

20 EUR (FA * 48) and 12 EUR (FA 48) (that is what I paid on AuctionArms)

Michel[/quote]

Lol!!!
thanks anyway.
But what I wanted to know what the thickness in mm !!!
Lol!!!
JP[/quote]

LOL ! it is my poor english fault
In mm : 1.15 and 1.24

Michel


#13

The Arsenal Drawings show the rim thickness at .049" and .054". But oddly, they also indicate a manufacturing tolerance of .007" which is greater than the .006" of official difference. Strange.

Maybe that is why they are very difficult to tell apart, at times?

Ray