7.62 x 51mm plastic cartridge


#1

I posted this cartridge here on here some years ago however it was not conclusively identified. It was suggested that it might be a blank of Canadian origin but that was about as far as we got.
However I have now found an image of this same cartridge on Municion.org where it is described as a ‘plastic instructional cartridge exclusively for use by the Royal Military Academy, Sandhurst’. For those that are not aware RMA Sandhurst is where the UK’s army officers are trained. I certainly never came across these cartridges during my time in the British army - however I never served at Sandhurst.
The cartridge is entirely of plastic, including the separate black head, and is unprimed. The primer pocket is very small and may just about accept a pistol-sized primer however I am not certain now whether this is a blank or a dummy cartridge. Does anybody have any thoughts?


#2

This should be a Finnish experimental blank. The same exists in 12.7x99.


#3

Excellent! Thank you.


#4

Alex, do you mean a Norwegian Plamil blank? I thought these all had metal bases, not plastic.


#5

Fede, no, I mean Finland which also made plastic heads for 7.62x39 blanks for example.
The shown one and the 12.7x99 would fit that system + the 12.7 I mean came from Finland and was presented as a Finnish product by the guy who had it.


#6

Alex, very interesting, I had no idea. Do you know the name of the company involved? Are these new?

The idea of a dummy cartridge with a separate plastic head doesn’t seem logic at all.


#7

Fede, I do not think that this is a dummy at all. There is a faint ‘X’ impressed in the nose to allow gases to escape so I would suggest that this is a blank.


#8

[quote=“Fede”]Alex, very interesting, I had no idea. Do you know the name of the company involved? Are these new?

The idea of a dummy cartridge with a separate plastic head doesn’t seem logic at all.[/quote]

Fede, I have no idea who made them but should be along the “plastic line” Finland made in several calibers.

As Jim says, these are blanks.


#9

Speaking of witch, here it has been posted today:
bocn.co.uk/vbforum/attachmen … 1363093245


#10

If this is not a dummy what does it use for a primer it looks like a plastic fill? Vic


#11

Blank, it is a blank.


#12

EOD I am not questioning your answer, but I have the understanding that if it is a blank it goes boom! what causes the ignition? there is no primer! Vic


#13

Vic, there is no primer. There’s just an empty primer socket. I would guess that my specimen was never loaded or primed.


#14

Vic, ah, got your point now. The 12.7 I had seen was loaded.


#15

I have found information describing these 7.62x51 and .50 all plastic blanks as experimentals made by the French firm NCS of Survilliers. Does anyone have more detailed information about these?


#16

Fede,

May I ask what information.

Joe
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#17

Joe, I don’t have any documentation, just a list from a French collector that describes these cartridges as products of NCS, including many different variations with metal and plastic heads.


#18

[quote=“Fede”]Alex, very interesting, I had no idea. Do you know the name of the company involved? Are these new?

The idea of a dummy cartridge with a separate plastic head doesn’t seem logic at all.[/quote]

Fede, by those two comments I am convinced it must be French in origin.

End of story for this one, I am leaving it marked as French firm NCS of Survilliers.

Joe


#19

This is absolute not a Blank of the French firm NCS, they made blanks with plastic and composiet heads but all have the typical contours of a French blank. I have one with a blackplastic, a white plastic and one with a brown composiet head.
The plastic blank you shown is a produkt of “ALLIVANE INTERNATIONAL”. Spent lots of hours to find this information back in "IDR 4/86 p501.
Jan


#20

JAN,

Please forgive my ignorance, but what are you referring to as " IDR 4/86 p501".

Joe