7,62x39 exercise cartridge


#1

I recently found this 7,62x39 exercise cartridge. Bright plated all over, struck primer, headstamped ‘539 60’ with six short flutes at the shoulder and, unusually, 6 small flutes on the bullet.

What I find to be odd is that I have two 7,62x54R exercise cartridges headstamped VPT 43 and VPT 62 with similar flutes on both case and bullet. Does anyone know where the 7,62x39 case was converted into a dummy round and why the similarity between the two calibres?

Happy collecting, Peter


#2

Peter,
These dummies (7.62 x 39mm & 7.62 x 54mm) were made in Finland utilising Soviet cases.


#3

enfield56–This is the standard dummy cartridge for Finland. They have often used fired Russian cases over the years. The Finish terminology for them is “LATAUSHARJVITUSPATRUUNA NIKKIATTU”


#4

Ron,

Many thanks for that, I’ll change my list to show Finland rather than Russia as being the source for the cartridge. I had my suspicions the trade was that way round, I couldn’t see Russia using Finnish cartridges as dummies.

Happy collecting, Peter


#5

As part of the 1944 Treaty with the Soviet Union, and addenda to it later in the 1950s, Finland had special military trade links with the Soviet Union, one of which was the Purchase of Spent Soviet-made Cartridge cases! for use in the manufacture of articles such as Drill rounds and Blank cartridges. THis trade arrangemtn also extended to other Military supplies as well, for which the Finns paid in hard currnecy ( DM and USD etc.).
Of course, the VPT marked cases are “all Finn made”, but there will be a fair proportion of items made using “Soviet” made cases.

Just a little “sidebar” on the Histroy of Finland’s “Guided neutrality” and relationships with the Soviets from 1944 to the end of the Cold War.

Regards,
Doc AV


#6

I suppose Finland was a non-Nato country if they were allowed to buy military items from the USSR?


#7

The struck primer appears to have been caused by use after manufacture as the plating is missing. Looks like its been struck a few times.

Are those extractor scratches on the base?


#8

[quote=“VinceGreen”]The struck primer appears to have been caused by use after manufacture as the plating is missing. Looks like its been struck a few times.

Are those extractor scratches on the base?[/quote]

The plating on the rimer is uniform in real life, the colour variation is something thrown up by the scanner I use. I don’t know enough about the bolt face layout on rifles for this calibre to form a judgement about any markings but there is a rough patch at 0200h and a semi-circular mark between 1830h and 2130h.

Are there marked differences between cases used in SKS and AK series rifles?

Happy collecting, Peter


#9

Not to argue with Doc, but I was under the impression that Finland bought LIVE 7.62x39mm ammunition from the Soviets, specificly Tracer and API and thus was the source of the fired cases used to make dummies, blanks and at least one proof load I know of…

This info came from a Finn on another forum who was a soldier in the Finnish Army some years ago.

Can anyone add to this info?

AKMS


#10

Falcon:

“I suppose Finland was a non-Nato country if they were allowed to buy military items from the USSR?”

Finland was never a member of NATO. This article explains the relationship(s).

nato.int/issues/nato-finland/index.html


#11

Falcon,
NATO never had or was a procurement syndicate and there was no such a kind of a ban. At that time there were however dos and don’ts, political correctness if you will. Remember, procurements always involves a lot of money and there were and are interests to be defended. And this is still valid today.

Hans


#12

Thanks for the answers. I was thinking that even if there was no “ban” as it were, that buying ammunition from the USSR wouldn’t be acceptable.


#13

Finland Bought the empty cases AS WELL AS the other “specialist” rounds mentioned.

BY this means, the Soviets hoped to keep Finland “locked in” to the Soviet Supply system, and observant of the “neutrality” clauses in the 1944 treaty…the alternative would be another “Winter War”, which would naturally draw in all the Western nations… and turn the “
Cold War” into a very “Hot War”

Perhaps in another 50 years, someone wll do a well researched book opn the Finno-Soviet relationships during the Cold War ( 1944-89).

regards,
Doc AV
AV Ballistics.


#14

Interesting. Thank you for clarifying that. Must have been a losing proposition to have to clean the fired cases (steel with corrosive priming) and pack them in some way to prevent corrosion during transit. Any sense of how many fired cases we are talking about here?

Any other instances of one country selling fired cases to another for re-use?

AKMS


#15

Bringing this old post back to the top. I picked up one of these in 7.62x54R with the VPT 43 headstamp.
What era were these made into drill cartridges?
And which factory/factories were they made in?