7.62x39 Headstamps


#1

I just returned from a gun show where I picked up about 25 7.62x39 rounds.
I need some help with the following ID’s

  1. 05 85 :I know this is DDR, but what factory and where?

  2. 23 90 : I think this is Hungary, but what factory and where?

  3. 7.62 x 39 (logo–O with wavy line) 98 : Russia? What factory and where?

  4. 39x7.62 * * 70 (all in Arabic) :Egypt? What factory and where? Note that the caliber is written 39x7.62.

  5. 7.62 x 39 81 :Unknown. What factory and where?


#2

Quick answer on the last 2. The Arabic one is from Syria. The one from '81 is Finnish if it has a GM bullet, Syrian if GMCS. It appears to be Finnish to me.


#3

Jon C–The 7.62x39 81 has a magnetic bullet. Do you know what factory for 4 & 5?


#4

Jon, sorry, that one sould also be Syrian. The Finns are using the same headstamp (for a certain export contract) but both can be easily distinguised by the quality of the hs and the Finns did not crimp the primers.


#5

I just checked my log and I have 3 different dates for the GMCS Syrian round. I’m not sure of the factory name, but I have seen it called “Military Establishment Damascus”.


#6

Jon C–I have that round with 79, 80 & 81 dates. Are your 3 the same years?


#7

#1 = Spreewerk Lubben

Rgds,


#8

The 23 90 is from MFS (M


#9

Ron - the headstamp picture is a little washed-out on my screen. However, if your number 3’s trademark is two curved arrows pointing in the opposite direction from each other, then the round is a product of the SUE “PA” Ulyanovsk Machinery Plant (also seen on brochures as the Ulyanovsk Machine Production Association, of 2 Metallistov, Ulyanovsk, 432031, Russia.


#10

John–I would not have called them “arrows”, but now that you have, they do look like what you describe. Thanks.


#11

John–After some digging on the internet I finally found a picture of the symbol. You were correct in your ID. the symbol for Ulyanovsk Machine Production Association, of 2 Metallistov, Ulyanovsk, 432031, Russia is the same as on my cartridge.

Thank you, everyone, for all the ID’s. All of those posted have now been ID’ed.


#12

Ron, my Syrian rounds like yours are dated 79, 80, 83.


#13

Here it is:


#14

Ron - I called them “Arrows” in the sense of mechanical drawing, or even street and road signs, with “arrows” pointing direction, etc., not arrows from a bow and arrow, which have feathers that are usually depicted in one way or another when that type of an arrow is used as a symbol.

Glad everything got ID’s for you (and for the rest of us not into this caliber ourselves).