7.62x54R "21 86" DDR box


#1

I bought this box with neatly stacked 7.62x54R “21 86” rounds inside. The box is definitely DDR but I think it originally contained 7.62x39. Am I right?
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#2

Vlad the GDR 7.62x39 was designated M43. So this one here looks genuine. Your’s here should have short blackened projectiles.


#3

Alex, thanks, they are short and dark. And there are multiple small metal shavings caught in the crimp between the cartridge neck and projectile body, looks funny and very un-German. How come neither IAA headstamp guide or Municion.org mention “21” as an East German manufacturing plant? Is it a Hungarian made cartridge loaded in Germany?


#4

Vlad, this is a GDR made 7.62 x 54 R short range cartridge designated Übungspatrone M 39-Üb and in this case it was loaded using Hungarian cases. It was designed for PKT, PKMS and PKMB machine guns.


#5

Fede, thanks. I kinda vaguely remember Hungarian discussion some time ago. Any idea what “68” in the upper left corner is?


#6

Probably a lot number. I have pictures of packets marked 21, 31, 38, 51, 64 and 68.


#7

Vlad, the East Germans used cases sourced from neighboring communist countries to load these practice cartridges. The projectile is that of the 7.62x39mm M-43, with a steel core. The only difference is that the projectile does not have a boat-tail, whereas the M-43 does. Presumably this was done to match the trajectory of the also flat-based T-45 tracer projectile used in the practice-tracer version of this load and to reduce it’s overall range. Regardless of the handwritten note on the box, I expect these are corrosive primed…

AKMS