7.65 x 54 Mauser Bullet Questions

Here is one Fede can probably answer right off………….

I have several 7.65 x 54 Mauser made by FN with the following characters in the headstamps, I assume to indicate bullet type:

S, SS, I, P, PT

Could I please get an exact Spanish translation, as we all know that when we use one of the online translators, we don’t always get a correct answer for technical words.

Thanks !!

Randy

P : Armor Piercin
PT : Armor piercing Tracer
I incendiary

It is french language

JP

Not exact, but:
P = Perforante
PT = Perforante-Trazador
I = Incendario

Thanks, Jon…

JP…would it be French, as these cartridges were most likely destined for Argentina ?

Randy

There is no spanish translation for bullets S and SS; both designations remained in use in all the South American countries that used the 7.65 mm Mauser. Belgian cartridges headstamped F S N 35 and F SS N 39 were made for export while those headstamped F N 35 and F N 39 were made for local use (Belgium).

Headstamps indicating special purpose projectiles are in french language:

P = Perforante (same in spanish)

PT = Perforante Traçante (Luminosa Perforante was the current designation; Perforante Trazante and Perforante Trazante Luminosa are wrong designations and were never used)

T = Traçante (Trazante Luminosa; this is an ordinary tracer)

I = Incendiarie (Incendiario)

E = Éclairant (Reglaje; Spotter)

All of these loading were exported to Argentina, but not exclusively.

[quote=“30army”]Thanks, Jon…

JP…would it be French, as these cartridges were most likely destined for Argentina ?

Randy[/quote]

The regular ctges made by FN fr the Belgian Army are headstamped F and I (or P or PT)
I do not think they were specailly made for Argentina
JP

[quote=“jeanpierre”][quote=“30army”]Thanks, Jon…

JP…would it be French, as these cartridges were most likely destined for Argentina ?

Randy[/quote]

The regular ctges made by FN for the Belgian Army are headstamped F N and I (or P or PT)
I do not think they were specially made for Argentina
JP[/quote]

Thankyou JP and Fede…

Would S and SS then indicate light and heavy Ball, like the Germans used ?

Randy

Randy, that is right.

Thankyou, Fede…

Would you happen to know the weights of these bullets?

Randy

The Argentine military specifications are:

S: 10 g (+/- 0.120 g) = 154 grs

SS: 12 g (+/- 0.150 g) = 185 grs

[quote=“30army”]Thankyou, Fede…

Would you happen to know the weights of these bullets?

Randy[/quote]

T 10.5 g
SS 11.25 g
P: 10.4 g
I : 9.3 g
PT : 10.2 g

jp

Thank you very much, JP…Learning more each day…

Randy

[quote=“30army”]Thank you very much, JP…Learning more each day…

Randy[/quote]

I can send you documentation on the belgian ctges if you need (it is coming from a wwii german book)
jp

Yes, JP…Any info would be much appreciated…

Randy

[quote=“30army”]Yes, JP…Any info would be much appreciated…

Randy[/quote]

Your email please
You are lucky I haven’t thrown this file already
JP

JP…You should be able to click on “Email” at the bottom of one of my posts and it should get to me…

Randy

The SS bullets made by Kynoch were also lighter than the Argentine ones: 11.14 g (172 grs) to 11.54 g (178 grs).

Fede…Are any of the Kynoch cartridges marked S or SS, or do we have to have the box to know ?

Randy

You can actually recognize any S and SS cartridge without the box. The ojive of the SS bullet is more pointed and total weight is also higher.

There are no Kynoch cartridges marked as such.