7.65 x 54 Mauser Bullet Questions


#1

Here is one Fede can probably answer right off………….

I have several 7.65 x 54 Mauser made by FN with the following characters in the headstamps, I assume to indicate bullet type:

S, SS, I, P, PT

Could I please get an exact Spanish translation, as we all know that when we use one of the online translators, we don’t always get a correct answer for technical words.

Thanks !!

Randy


#2

P : Armor Piercin
PT : Armor piercing Tracer
I incendiary

It is french language

JP


#3

Not exact, but:
P = Perforante
PT = Perforante-Trazador
I = Incendario


#4

Thanks, Jon…

JP…would it be French, as these cartridges were most likely destined for Argentina ?

Randy


#5

There is no spanish translation for bullets S and SS; both designations remained in use in all the South American countries that used the 7.65 mm Mauser. Belgian cartridges headstamped F S N 35 and F SS N 39 were made for export while those headstamped F N 35 and F N 39 were made for local use (Belgium).

Headstamps indicating special purpose projectiles are in french language:

P = Perforante (same in spanish)

PT = Perforante Traçante (Luminosa Perforante was the current designation; Perforante Trazante and Perforante Trazante Luminosa are wrong designations and were never used)

T = Traçante (Trazante Luminosa; this is an ordinary tracer)

I = Incendiarie (Incendiario)

E = Éclairant (Reglaje; Spotter)

All of these loading were exported to Argentina, but not exclusively.


#6

[quote=“30army”]Thanks, Jon…

JP…would it be French, as these cartridges were most likely destined for Argentina ?

Randy[/quote]

The regular ctges made by FN fr the Belgian Army are headstamped F and I (or P or PT)
I do not think they were specailly made for Argentina
JP


#7

[quote=“jeanpierre”][quote=“30army”]Thanks, Jon…

JP…would it be French, as these cartridges were most likely destined for Argentina ?

Randy[/quote]

The regular ctges made by FN for the Belgian Army are headstamped F N and I (or P or PT)
I do not think they were specially made for Argentina
JP[/quote]


#8

Thankyou JP and Fede…

Would S and SS then indicate light and heavy Ball, like the Germans used ?

Randy


#9

Randy, that is right.


#10

Thankyou, Fede…

Would you happen to know the weights of these bullets?

Randy


#11

The Argentine military specifications are:

S: 10 g (+/- 0.120 g) = 154 grs

SS: 12 g (+/- 0.150 g) = 185 grs


#12

[quote=“30army”]Thankyou, Fede…

Would you happen to know the weights of these bullets?

Randy[/quote]

T 10.5 g
SS 11.25 g
P: 10.4 g
I : 9.3 g
PT : 10.2 g

jp


#13

Thank you very much, JP…Learning more each day…

Randy


#14

[quote=“30army”]Thank you very much, JP…Learning more each day…

Randy[/quote]

I can send you documentation on the belgian ctges if you need (it is coming from a wwii german book)
jp


#15

Yes, JP…Any info would be much appreciated…

Randy


#16

[quote=“30army”]Yes, JP…Any info would be much appreciated…

Randy[/quote]

Your email please
You are lucky I haven’t thrown this file already
JP


#17

JP…You should be able to click on “Email” at the bottom of one of my posts and it should get to me…

Randy


#18

The SS bullets made by Kynoch were also lighter than the Argentine ones: 11.14 g (172 grs) to 11.54 g (178 grs).


#19

Fede…Are any of the Kynoch cartridges marked S or SS, or do we have to have the box to know ?

Randy


#20

You can actually recognize any S and SS cartridge without the box. The ojive of the SS bullet is more pointed and total weight is also higher.

There are no Kynoch cartridges marked as such.