7.65 x 54 mm Mauser Extended Case Shot box


#1

Hello,
To continue with the post of Fede I’ll show you a box.

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Sergio


#2

SMR, thanks a lot for sharing these images!
Can you tell us any details on these? And did I get it right that these are shot loads?


#3

Well done my friend, you are a Lucky man.

Saludos.


#4

Are these lead shot loads? If so, for what, riot control?

Joe


#5

Joe - they are survival loads, for exactly who, I don’t know. Maybe one of our Argentine friends will. “Supervivencia” basically means Survival in English. A “superviviente” (hope I spelled that right) is a “survivor.”

These could have been for air crews, navy use, or suppose with all the jungles in South America, for just about anyone in any military. or rural police agency. Don’t know of them being sold in Argentina commercially, though.

There is a similar load in .45 Automatic caliber, generally with a nickel-finish case.


#6

Also in 7.62x51 with a nickeled case.


#7

These shot cartridges were commercial products by FM using cases manufactured between 1965 and 1969, and were intended for small game hunting. The latest ad that I have found mentioning these was published on November 1973, but these were also listed in catalogs until c. 1978. As John mentions above, these loads were designated Supervivencia, which in Spanish means “Survival”, but known documentation indicates that none of these were adopted for military service.

Standard production included calibers .45 Auto, .44 WCF, 7.62x51, and 7.65x54 Mauser, although test lots were also made in 9 mm Parabellum and .38 Special. The first production in .45 Auto and 7.62x51 was made using plain brass cases, and in 1966 switched to nickeled brass. Known .44 WCF cartridges used nickeled cases only and 7.65x54 Mauser used plain brass (it was also made with a nickeled case but specimens are unknown in collections).

Specifications for the 7.62x51 indicate that it was loaded with 16g of no. 8 shot, velocity at 2m 300 m/s, effective range 15-20m, and shot pattern similar to 32 ga. In the .45 Auto these indicate: 9g of no. 8 shot, velocity at 2m approx. 250 m/s, effective range 10-15m, and shot pattern similar to 36 ga. These specifications were slightly changed during the 1970’s.

The warning note on the 7.65x54 box posted by Sergio is a nonsense inherited from the 7.62x51 label and it says: “Under no circumstances use these cartridges in weapons with blank-firing adapters”.

Sergio y Claudio, un saludo grande para los dos!


#8

Fede - Thanks for the information. I had no idea those were for commercial sales. That will break the heart of the guys who collect only military loadings in pistol cartridges. I’ll bet those that do that and have them will “cheat” and Keep them anyway! :-) Fortunately, I collect military and commercial.

I guess that means that unlike some Central and South American Countries (México and Brasil come to mind), military=caliber pistols were not prohibited from private ownership in Argentina.