7.65x53mm Argentine Color Codes


#1

The following is a tentative list of the color codes used on 7.65x53mm Argentine cartridges. Does anyone have any corrections or additions?

7.65x53mm Argentine Color Codes

Light Ball Type N–GM bullet. Brass primer w/black annulus. [until 1978]
Light Ball Type N–GM bullet. Violet primer annulus. [from 1978]
Ball Type C –FMJ bullet. Violet primer annulus. [from 1978]
Heavy Ball Type E–CNCS, CN or GM bullet. Green primer annulus. [until 1978]
Heavy Ball Type E–FMJ bullet. Violet primer annulus. [from 1978]
Match Ball Type EC–Maroon-tipped FMJ bullet. Violet primer annulus. [from 1978]
Luminous Tracer Type TL–Blue-tipped CNCS bullet & blue primer annulus. [1959-1978]
Smoke Tracer Type TH --Yellow-tipped CNCS bullet & yellow primer annulus. [until 1978]
Tracer Type T–Red-tipped CNCS bullet. Red primer annulus. [from 1978]
AP Type P–Red-tipped CNCS bullet & red primer annulus. [until 1978]
AP Type P–Black-tipped bullet. Black primer annulus. [from 1978]
Incendiary Type QI–White-tipped CNCS bullet & white primer annulus. [until 1978]
Incendiary Type QI–Blue-tipped bullet. Blue primer annulus. [from 1978]
AP-T Type LP–Green-tipped CNCS bullet & green primer annulus. [until 1978]
AP-T Type PT–Black/red-tipped bullet. Black primer annulus. [from 1978]
AP-I Type PI–Silver-tipped bullet. Silver primer annulus. [from 1978]
Observation Type R–Black-tipped CNCS bullet. Black primer annulus; mfg. by Hirtenberg Patronenfabrik, Austria. HE. - PETN filler. [until late '60’s]
Observation Type R–Yellow-tipped bullet. Yellow primer annulus. [from 1978]
H.P. Test Type ES–Blue-tipped GM or CNCS bullet & green primer annulus. [until 1959]
H.P. Test Type ES–Blue-tipped GM bullet. Black primer annulus.
H.P. Test Type ES–Maroon (brown)-tipped bullet. Green primer annulus. [From 1959 until 1978]
Blank–Red wooden spitzer bullet. Knurled cannelure around middle of case.


#2

I’m sorry Gerard, but most of this information is wrong.

7.65x53mm Argentine Color Codes:

Light Ball Type N–GM bullet. Brass primer w/black annulus. [until 1978]
CORRECTION:
Normal “S”: Black annulus (between 1933 and 1965);

Light Ball Type N–GM bullet. Violet primer annulus. [from 1978]
CORRECTION:
Especial “SS”: violet annulus was used after august 1970 but only made between 1972-1976. In 1980-81 red color was used.

Ball Type C --FMJ bullet. Violet primer annulus. [from 1978]
CORRECTION:
Same as above, different designation

Heavy Ball Type E–CNCS, CN or GM bullet. Green primer annulus. [until 1978]
CORRETCION:
Especial “SS”: Made in Argentina between 1938 and 1981 (not every year). First green was used and later mixed with reddish laquer. About post-1970 colors check above.

"Match Ball Type EC–Maroon-tipped FMJ bullet. Violet primer annulus. [from 1978]"
CORRECTION (3 different types):
Normal Concurso “S”: stabbed neck, black annulus. Made between 1931 and 1949.
Especial Concurso “S”: stabbed neck, green annulus. Made between 1962 and 1965 (very rare).
Especial Concurso “SS”: stabbed neck, green annulus (Made between 1968 and 1970). Brown tip, violet annulus (made in 1976).

Luminous Tracer Type TL–Blue-tipped CNCS bullet & blue primer annulus. [1959-1978]
CORRECTION:
Trazante Luminosa: 1952-1965 (older recovered cases were also used).

Smoke Tracer Type TH --Yellow-tipped CNCS bullet & yellow primer annulus. [until 1978]
CORRECTION:
Trazante Humosa: 1956-1964/65 (older recovered cases were also used).

Tracer Type T–Red-tipped CNCS bullet. Red primer annulus. [from 1978]
CORRECTION:
It doesn’t exist.

AP Type P–Red-tipped CNCS bullet & red primer annulus. [until 1978]
CORRECTION:
Perforante: 1937-1964/65

AP Type P–Black-tipped bullet. Black primer annulus. [from 1978]
CORRECTION:
It doesn’t exist.

Incendiary Type QI–White-tipped CNCS bullet & white primer annulus. [until 1978]
CORRECTION:
Qu


#3

Fede

Thanks for the corrections. Now I can get my records straightened out.


#4

For what its worth:
The cartridge functional types and designations in my list can be found in Small-Caliber Ammunition Identification Guide (U) Volume 1 published by the Army Materiel Development and Readiness Command, Foreign Science and Technology Center on pages 70 & 71.


#5

Phil - I have found U.S. Military publications on ammunition, especially foreign ammunition, to be severely wanting, not only with lots of wrong information, but with huge gaps they “don’t know” that are well known to the ammunition collecting community in the US and world-wide. Of course, God forbid that these government “experts” should ever ask a mere collector anything.


#6

John
I agree! That


#7

Phil

Having access to original drawings, factory records, etc. is no guarantee. One of the reasons HWS III is taking so long is because of drawings, records, etc. In many instances they are missing, contradictory, inaccurate, or just plain wrong. I would imagine that the situation with non-US cartridges is not much better. We’ve probably learned more from Forums like this one than all other sources combined. And we still don’t know a damn thing!

Ray