7.9 Kurz Boxes


#1

Can someone explain the reason (if any?) for the existence of both 15 rd & 20 rd capacity German 7.9 Kurz boxes and further, is it a coincidence or otherwise that in my small collection of boxes, that the 15 rd Boxes are loose cartridges and all the 20 rd boxes are in clips (i.L./in Ladestreifen)?


#2

There are two different kinds of 20 round boxes.
Polte also took the 7,9 Mauser box.

And there are also 14 round boxes known.

Rgds


#3

Hi Dutch, thanks for your response and the great photograph.

Given that the entire series of 7.9x33 chambered weapons (Mkb42, MP43,44 etc) utilised a 30rd capacity magazine, that the ammunition packaging was more for factory expediency (ie. utilising existing or only slightly modified 7.9x57 packaging) rather than field/operational practicality(?).

I have not seen the relabelled 7.9x57 box before…how did they configure/stack the cartridges in the box?

The 14 rd box, is that dimensionally the same as a 16rd 9mmP box except with a greater depth?

thanks again,
Peter.


#4

[quote=“PeterC”]

I have not seen the relabelled 7.9x57 box before…how did they configure/stack the cartridges in the box?

The 14 rd box, is that dimensionally the same as a 16rd 9mmP box except with a greater depth? [/quote]

The boxes are not relabeled. I think there were no 7,92x33 boxes available so they took the rifle boxes.
They just put 4 clips in a box.

For the 14 round box, see picture.

Rgds
Dutch


#5

[quote=“dutch”]There are two different kinds of 20 round boxes.
Polte also took the 7,9 Mauser box.

And there are also 14 round boxes known.

Rgds[/quote]

Dutch
oxo took also the 7,9 Mauser box.
They used 5 clips .On the usual 15 round label they replaced the 1 with a pencil 2 .The boxes contains 25 rounds.
oxo used the 7,9 Mauser boxes because the stopped the 8x57 production and have a lot of remained boxes 7,9 Mauser.

aux used from the lot 1944 aux 70 until 1944 aux 74 the normal used 20- 7,9 relabelled kurz boxes and from 1944 aux 75 until 1944 aux 79 the 7,9 Mauser boxes and then used the 15 boxes in lot 1944 aux 79 as soon as they are availabel.

Sorry but I cant show pictures in this forum and nobody likes to help.

I am always looking for pictures and information for my book ( until now over 500 pages) about the development and production oh the 7.9 Kurzpatronen 43 m.E.
Regards
Norbert Berg


#6

[quote=“8x33”][quote=“dutch”]There are two different kinds of 20 round boxes.
Polte also took the 7,9 Mauser box.

And there are also 14 round boxes known.

Rgds[/quote]

Dutch
oxo took also the 7,9 Mauser box.
They used 5 clips .On the usual 15 round label they replaced the 1 with a pencil 2 .The boxes contains 25 rounds.
oxo used the 7,9 Mauser boxes because the stopped the 8x57 production and have a lot of remained boxes 7,9 Mauser.

aux used from the lot 1944 aux 70 until 1944 aux 74 the normal used 20- 7,9 relabelled kurz boxes and from 1944 aux 75 until 1944 aux 79 the 7,9 Mauser boxes and then used the 15 boxes in lot 1944 aux 79 as soon as they are availabel.

Sorry but I cant show pictures in this forum and nobody likes to help.

I am always looking for pictures and information for my book ( until now over 500 pages) about the development and production oh the 7.9 Kurzpatronen 43 m.E.
Regards
Norbert Berg[/quote]

I add the 7.92x33 oxo box.They changed the label 15 Pistolenpatronen 43.m.E. by pencil in 25 Pistolenpatronen 43 m.E.It is possible to place 5 clips in the standard 8x57 box.


You can find the change from 15 to 25 until the lot 1944 oxo 14.


oxo stopped the 8x57 production and it remains a lot of the 8x57 boxes.Therfore they used these boxes for the 7.92x33 kurz and selled the no longer used 8x57 labels .See the letter dated 2.11.1944 from the Hauptausschuß Munition beim Reichsminister für Rüstung und Kriegsproduktion Sonderausschuß M I( Page 11-7 in the book “Die Patrone 7,9 mm der Deutschen Wehrmacht 1930 -1945” Sonderdruck 2010 der Patronen-Sammler-Vereinigung e.V)also concerned with the self crimping primer " Selbstvernietung des Zündhütchens"

Norbert Berg
I am always looking for 7.92x33 ammo and information for my book about the development and produktion of the German 7.92x33 Pistolenpatronen 43.m.E