7.92 Kurz, East German

Hi again,
I asked a buddy of mine to find me some ammo for my STG44, and some months later he rocked up with 8 cases of East German 7.92 x 33 Kurz.
A bit more that I will ever shoot, as I have about 17,000rds!!
It’s in boxes of 15, in cases of 2400rds, all 1959 dated.
My questions are…
The boxes refer to it as 7.92mm-Patr. Kz43, I believed that Kz43 was the Wehrmacht designation carried over, but in a topic on this forum I see East German 7.62 x 39 with Kz43 on it. so what does it mean?

The label on the inside of the cases have a lot of codes, can anybody decipher them?

WCG, incredible label, thank you for sharing this one!

Could you show us the markings on the crate too?

Outsides of the crates are painted grey, I don’t think there are any visible markings, but I’ll check.
Any ideas on the Kz43 or label questions?
Many thanks

On the label I can state only fragmentary details as the abbreviations for the propellant are not 100% clear to me.
But we have a 7.92x33 expert here and I hope he soon will enlighten us.

Just checked, boxes are devoid of any markings on the outside.
see pic
792x33 pic 4 792x33 pic 5

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That’s my unloading tool for the 7.92 Kurz, late 1945 Haenel production, pity it was re-parkerized for a movie

God bless America!
Make sure you’ll never get German conditions!

The Wehrmacht designation in late WW2 was 7.9 mm Kurzpatrone (or Kurzmunition) 43.
The 7.92 designation comes up due to East Germany obtaining factory equipment from Czechoslovakia (same as for 9 mm pistol cartridges). Czechoslovakia after WW1, using formerly German ammunitiion machines, decided to call the German 7.9 mm rilfe caliber 7.92 mm.

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Is it possible to see this crate’s headstamp? Also, by 1959 East Germany had SKS’s and AK-17’s. Why did they need STG44?

I believe that large quantities of the MP44/STG44s were issued to the East German border guards.
The Border Police started to replace them in the late1950s with AKs. The rumour is that the Russians gave them AKs if they disposed of their surplus to friendly nations, so many thousands of STGs turned up in Libya, Ethiopia, and lately Syria.
Almost all the surplus ammo in Europe seems to be late 1950’s, so I guess they had shipped out all the earlier ammo with the guns, leaving the newest until last.

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To my knowledge the last use of the Stg.44 in the GDR was by the Betriebskampfgruppen (factroy combat units). Basically some sort of paramilitary / militia every large factory had, basically civilians with limited training and guns stored nearby.

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Add Yugoslavia (paratroopers) and Angola! As for the latter, a friend of mine from South Africa captured one there in a regional UNITA headquarter from a female NSA who let’s say had no use for the gun anymore.
And for the sake of it he carried it on his missions till his tour ended.

Here the Yugoslavs (image source: internet):
StG44_in Yugoslavia

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Unanswered remains the Czechoslovak …43 for the 7,62×39. They are not Kz43 but rather vz.43. Vz = vzor = model

Each Wooden case appears to have an individual batch or production line code
I assume from this that they ran 2400rds per batch, as I have not seen the same batch in different wooden cases. Also it is noticeable that the lacquer darkness varies from one wooden case to another which leads me to think that the code number refers to the machine or production line that it came from.
Batch Codes and dates are:-
12/6-12/2/59
13/1-16/2/59
14/1-20/2/59
11/4-06/2/59
7/2-24/1/59
14/6-23/2/59
4/10-15/1/59
5/3-16/1/59
8/3-28/1/59
8/6-28/1/59
All headstamps from this load of ammunition are 04:59, I believe the 04 is the factory code and 59 the year of manufacture.792x33 pic 6 792x33 pic 7
792x33 pic 8 792x33 pic 9
Bullets are steel core 125.6g BT spitzer

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04 = VEB Mechanische Werkstätten Königswartha (“Mechanical Workshops at Königswartha”)
Königswartha, Dresden district, East Germany.
VEB (Volkseigene Betreib, “People’s Own Enterprise”) a state-owned factory.
It made 9mm Parabellum [9x19mm], 7.92mm Mauser [7,92x57mm], 7,92mm Kurz (Kz-43) [7.92x33mm], 5,45mm M74 Soviet [5.45x39mm], and 7,62mm M43 Soviet [7.62x39mm] ammo.

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Sorry Sidney, the 5,45 was only made by Spreewerk Lübben, 05, on new and sophisticated integral machines.

Die Versandlose wurden pro Jahr jeweils von 1/1 bis 1/10, dann von 2/1 bis 2/10 usw., also immer bis …/10 nummeriert. Im Bild ist das Versandlos 12/9 aus dem Jahr 1961 zu erkennen. Ihm folgt das Los 12/10. Danach wird eine neue erste Zahl vergeben (im Beispiel 13 /1). Diese Reihe endet mit dem Jahresende und beginnt im nächsten Jahr wieder mit 1/1.

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jeweils

In der DDR wurde das StG 44 und seine Vorläufer als „MPi 42“ „MPi 43“ und „MPi 44“ strukturmäßig ab 1951 in den Einheiten der Kasernierten Volkspolizei (KVP), der Transport- und Grenzpolizei und ab 1954/55 in den 1952 gegründeten „Betriebskampfgruppen“ (später „Kampfgruppen der Arbeiterklasse“) geführt.
„Eine Bestandsmeldung vom 30. Juli 1958 erwähnt 16.093 Stück MP 43“ in der Bewaffnung der Kampfgruppe (18, S. 45). Diese wird an anderer Stelle mit rund 16.000 bestätigt und ergänzt durch die Angabe, dass im Ministerium des Inneren (MdI) weitere rund 7.500 Stück lagerten. Demzufolge verfügte die DDR im Jahr 1958 über rund 23.600 StG 44 und seine Vorgängertypen.

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