7.92x57 German WWII grenade cartridge "eej St+ 3 43 "


#1

This is my 1st German grenade blank. So I read up Kent’s book. It shows several different types of grenade blanks and identifies them as 1,2,3,4…etc. I assume these number ID’s are solely for his book. Is there a more universal way? For instance, my round has 3 metal step-ups, but Kent also shows a single step-up round. Do I call my round “a dark blue wooden projectile 3 step-up stainless steel blank” or what?
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#2

Vlad - you picked a good one for your first one. These are not nearly as common as some other types. Yours appears to be in nice condition, also.

Your cartridge was known officially as “Treibpatrone alte Art für große Bewehr -Panzergranate.” A box label is known with that basic designation and is pictured in the below referenced document. They were loaded with the 30/40 primer. The box held 15 cartridges.

Reference: Patronensammler-Vereinigung e.V., Sonderdruck Mitteilungsblatt 1987, “Deutsche Treibkartuschen und Treibpatronen im Kaliber 7.92 x 57 bix 1945,” by Wilhelm Micke, page 3 thru 11.

Hope this is of some help.


#3

Here are different kinds of treibpatrones, in the list of picture they are:

Treibpatrone alte Art für Panzergranate
Treibpatrone alte Art für Sprenggranate
Treibpatrone neue Art für Sprenggranate
Treibpatrone neue Art für Propagandagranate
Treibpatrone neue Art für Sprenggranate
Treibpatrone für Sprenggranate "Weitschuß"
Treibpatrone neue Art für Sprenggranate
Treibpatrone neue Art für große Panzergranate
Treibpatrone alte Art für große Panzergranate


#4

sksvlad, This round is scare.

John speaks about the second model in the 15 round box.

The first model is so scare, because it was packed with the grenade.
You need a grenade first to find a cartridge. :-)

Rgds
Dutch


#5

Hello Dutch,
wich one is the first model?
Regards
Laurent


#6

laurent, the one on the left is the first model. (alte Art)

They were packed to the grenade.

Rgds
Dutch


#7

Question. Are the cartridges called “grenade blanks” or “grenade cartridges”??

Ray


#8

Ray, in German they were called “Gewehr Treibpatronen”.

I would translate it to “Rifle drive cartridges”.
Perhaps somebody can translate it better.

Rgds
Dutch


#9

In the U.S. and the UK this type of round is called “rifle grenade cartridge”. Why not simply stick to it when referring to a German Treibpatrone in English.
As literal translation of Gewehr Treibpatrone I would submit “propelling rifle cartridge”. (Having in mind that Treibladung is propelling charge.)


#10

[quote=“laurent”]Here are different kinds of treibpatrones, in the list of picture they are:

Treibpatrone alte Art für Panzergranate
Treibpatrone alte Art für Sprenggranate
Treibpatrone neue Art für Sprenggranate
Treibpatrone neue Art für Propagandagranate
Treibpatrone neue Art für Sprenggranate
Treibpatrone für Sprenggranate "Weitschuß"
Treibpatrone neueste Art für Sprenggranate
Treibpatrone neue Art für große Panzergranate
Treibpatrone alte Art für große Panzergranate[/quote]

Hello dutch, can you confirm or correct that those cartridges are well identify?
Thanks in advance
Regards
Laurent


#11

Laurent, you identify your rounds correctly.

There are only a few missing. Made a picture for you.

Treibpatrone alte Art für Sprenggranate (CWS steel case)
Treibpatrone alte Art für Sprenggranate
Treibpatrone alte Art für Panzergranate
Treibpatrone alte Art für Propagandagranate (red ring on case mouth)
Treibpatrone neue Art für Sprenggranate
Treibpatrone neue Art für Panzergranate
Treibpatrone neue Art für Propagandagranate
Treibpatrone alte Art für große Panzergranate
Treibpatrone neue Art für große Panzergranate
Treibpatrone für Gewehrsprenggranate „weitschuss“
Treibpatrone neueste Art für Gewehr Sprenggranate
Treibpatrone für GG/P40 (PZ Granate)

The tree Treibpatronen on the right are unknown to me.

The case on the left looks the same. You can identify the cartridges on the annulus color.
Yellow is “Spreng”, black “Panzer”, and red “Propaganda”

Regards
Dutch


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#12

thank you dutch!!