7,92x57 N headstamps


#1

I have three different 7,92 with a “N” along with an opposing number headstamped on the rounds. Polish, German, Hungarian???

Joe




#2

I believe those are Norwegian. The “N” may stand for Norma.


#3

John,

Sorry, you are going to have to explain to this novice a bit more, as I am probably missing your point. Ok, all I know about Norma is it is a Swedish based company, please correct if I am wrong. Are you saying they might have been made in Norway for the NORMA firm?

Joe


#4

Norma was founded by two Norwegians, but they set up the factory in Sweden.


#5

Psg is correct, Joe. Norma is not, per se, a Swedish Company, but rather Norwegian, with facilities in Sweden. Further, there is nothing mysterious about Norma headstamps on cartridges basically from or for other countries, as they have sold both military and commercial ammunition all over the world.

That’s all the explanation I have for you. I don’t know the exact meaning of the Numbers at the bottom, but perhaps one of our Norwegian friends does.

The ID given, though, is correct. Not much more to say about it.


#6

Ok, thanks all.
I will put them in the Norma box. I looked at my Norma 7,9 rounds of which I only have two dozed examples. I have two Noram FMJ rounds and along with the others, most all seem to have the neck annealing color left on and the crimping is totally different than these rounds pictured. With exception to the soft point, in which I question it’s originality. Who knows, I surely don’t, or I would not be asking. In the Norma box they go.

Joe


#7

Update; I pulled with my fingers, the soft point out of the case. I suspected something was odd the way it was seated. Well, the inside of the case is pristine and also berdan primed. I suppose Norma would berdan prime cases if a customer asked?? I have only seen boxer from Norma myself, but I have little experience with Norma military cases, only reloading there commercial boxer brass… Again this case unlike the other two, has no neck crimp and I suspect the way the inside of the neck looks, it was never loaded. I feel someone just stuck this projectile in 1/8" inside the neck crookedly.

joe


#8

Like most European makers, Norma originally produced cases of the Berdan Primer type. When they switched commercial production to a Boxer-type primer, the marked the heads of the case with the letters “Re” in form, normally, “Norma Re” to denote a reloadable case.

I wish one of the Norwegians would chime in on this. It has been my impression that the “N” cases were loaded in Norway. That could be wrong of course, as it is based on things like bullet crimp, where the buyer of the cartridges probably has a say in the specifications of the contracts.


#9

Norma was set up by two Norwegian gentlemen in about 1905, originally with a factory in Norway. Later, a subsidiary factory was set up, just across the Border, in Sweden, at Amotfors.

Eventually, the Daughter became more important that the Parent. Up to WWII, Norma only made Berdan primed cases, for both Military and Civil use. After WW II ( the original Norwegian Plant had disappeared) several US entrepreneurs sought Norma to make reloadable ammo for the growing Milsurp market in the US. From then, a whole line of both Milsurp and Sporting calibres arose, specifically made initially for the US Market, and then also for the rest of the Reloading world. They manufactured Loaded ammo, cases and projectiles; they also supplied Boxer Primers and Powders, and in Europe supplied Berdan primers as well, incl. the “intermediate .199 (5mm)” primer , originally used in Norwegian 6,5x55 ( Roth Case Design). After WW II, all Scandinavian 6,5x55 was in the Larger “.216” (sic Norma Catalogue) which is actually the .217" standard Berdan Rifle Primer.

Norma also made Military ammo in a variety of calibres, both before and after WW II, both for domestic use and export.

The Name “Norma” derives from the Germanic-Scandinavian term for “The Norm” meaning, to Strict Design Specification. ( high level of QA.)

Historical info from very old English Language Norma Catalogue ( 1950s)

Doc AV


#10

Doc AV,

Very interesting. They seem to have changed there mind on the meaning of the name. If you go to there history page ( norma.cc/en/About-Norma1/The … -of-Norma/ ) they claim now that “the brothers was extremely keen on the opera by Bellini entitled Norma.” and that is how the name came about.

Joe


#11

Dear xjda68,
Yes, I have heard that one as well…the Opera about a Celtic Druid Priestess who meets a tragic end, over Love.

Just like the Steelworks at Kladno (Bohemia) which supplied steel for the M91 Carcano Bolt, the Bolts of M95 Mannlichers, the Bolts in ZB26/30/Bren Guns before 1939, and so on.
The Factory name as “Leopoldina Hutte” ( L. steel works, after the wife of the Owner, a German who emigrated to Austria-Hungary); in the trade, it was known by her family Nickname “Poldi”.

Still exists today as a specialist steel supplier, and as a Kladno soccer Team…

So such a Name as Norma (Bellini) for the Norwegian enterprise may also be true…but I like the “Technical explanation” better.

Old Curmudgeon,
Doc AV


#12

The Norma factory was founded in Oslo, Norway by the brothers Lars, Johan and Ivar Enger in 1894. The purpose was to produce bullets for the shooting movement in Norway. To get into the Swedish market as well, they went over the border to Sweden in 1902 and ended up in Åmotfors, where a new factory was founded that year. Today, Norma Precision AB (www.norma.as) is a sales company in the outdoors field.

Regarding the name, I believe the Enger brothers’ interest for Vincenzo Bellini’s opera is the hottest suggestion, but who knows…

In general, Norma in Norway did not make cartridge cases. Some experimental production may have taken place around the second world war, though, but information on this is incomplete. Most of their cases came from Norma in Sweden, very often with capital letterings ‘NORMA’ rather than the ususl lower letterings ‘norma’. Norma in Norway loaded ammunition under several names up to 1989(!), such as ‘Norma Projektilfabrik’, ‘NORMA-NITTEDAL’ and ‘RANO’ (=RAufoss-NOrma, a sales company where Raufoss made the cases (6,5x55, 7,62x51 and 7,62x63) and Norma made the bullets and loaded the ammunition).

Even in Norway, we don’t know the whole story about the N-headstamped 7,92x57. The ‘N’ could very well mean Norma and ‘1’ and ‘3’ is most probably some sort of lot numbering. It is interesting to notice that ‘2’ is not seen at all. Who made the cases and who actually loaded the cartridges is uncertain, though, but they are definetly Norwegian.

morten


7.9x60 Swedish Box
#13

Thanks Morten. When John said he wish someone from Norway would chime in on this, I was not thinking and could have just emailed you. Glad you added to the conversation.

Joe