7,9x57 1943 German box with extra letter "K"

There is either “K” or “R” in the right upper corner of the label, just outside of the black label graphics box. What is it?

That is an interesting question.

First I was thinking it means Kern (Core).
After seeing this “K” on an sS box it could not be.
In 1937 it started with a “K” in the label.

Than we noticed also boxes with an “H” on the label.

It could be they printed a letter for the assembly line on the label.
But to confuse all collectors, a label with both characters printed.

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I think in the US it called the 64 000 $ question.

Rgds

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Is it at all possible that such letters were meaningless but put on there just to consume someone’s time in trying to figure out what it meant?

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Darren, you don’t know Germans…or what they used to be. They were, in words of the late TonyE, very “pedant”. Don’t know now, many of my relatives now live in Germany, and they are not German.

Surely one of them had to have a sense of humour!

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Raketenmotorunterstützte Flossenstabilisierung mit hoher Reichweite für hohe Entfernungen = ?

I have seen markings outside the border on German P08 cartridges but these are a string of characters and appear to be an identification of the label type or something similar.

Cheers,
Lew

Willem, these “K” and “H” markings seem to be exclusive of Polte Magdeburg, because I couldn’t find examples by other manufacturers. Also, I noted that early boxes (1935) using this letter are marked “K.” instead of “K”.

Here is a list of loadings having this letter:

7,9 x 57:

  • lS (K)
  • lS L’spur (K)
  • PmK (H)
  • PmK (K)
  • PmK-v (H)
  • PmK-v (K)
  • PmK-v Tp (H)
  • PP33 (H)
  • SmE (H)
  • SmE (K)
  • SmE (H and K)
  • SmE lg (H)
  • SmE lg (K)
  • SmE lg (H and K)
  • SmK L’spur (K)
  • SmKH (K)
  • sS (K)

Dates range from 1935 to 1945.

7.9 x 94:

  • Treibpatrone 318 (H)

7,9 x 33:

  • Pistolen-Patrone/Kurzpatrone 43 m. E. (H)

Regards,

Fede

Willem,

I see only cases from other manufactures ( cg,dou. )if they use H plus K on the same label.
1944%20aux%201%20SmE%20II

%20II %20I 1944%20aux%2028%20SmE
Norbert Berg

Fede, the earliest one I know of is the fist lot of 1936.
Do you have a picture from a 1935 label?

You can add a “K” marked lS to your list

a SmK-H.

and a PmK-v

aux%2041-9%20PmK%20-v

Norbert, as I mention before, to confuse the collectors. 
No, I still go for a production line.

Regards

Thanks! List updated.

Here is an example of a 1935 label:

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Also, I have noted that “H” is found in labels indicating mixed lots.

Regards,

Fede

Great Label, thank you.

Mixed lots is not a good indication.
In 1943 they stopped writing case lot numbers on the Label, only the year.
Polte could load more cartridges than making cases for them.
This is the reason other companies shipped empty cases to Polte for loading. Like “cg”

Rgds

Willem, I’m not saying that is the meaning of “H”, just pointing out what those labels have in common.

Treibpatrone 318 added.

Willem,

in the first lot of 1945 with aux cases there is no longer the K on the label but
in the same lot only the H on the label and eej cases.1945%20aux%201%20SmE%20la
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aux also used the H on the 7,92 Kurzpatronen labels between 1944 aux 128 and 1945 aux 27.


1945%20aux%2021%20Patronenkastenaufkleber
Norbert Berg

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Thanks, great labels.

P207 (Metallwerk Odertal) was a facility setup by Polte.
In 1935-1937 Polte shipped sS bullets to this daughter factory.
Interesting is that the bullets were marked on the P207 label with “H”

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A list of 7,9x57 I made over the years: P lot/year, type of ammo, type of packing (Faltschachtel, Packhulse…), letter K/H/HK.

P 1L 36 PmK F K
P 3L 36 SmKL’sp F K Patrh: P * 11L 36
P 3L 36 SmKL’sp F without Patrh: P * 26L 36
P 3L 36 PmK F K
P 4L 36 PmK F K
P 68L 36 sS F K
P 2L 37 PmK F K
P 3L 37 SmKL’sp(glb) F K
P 3L 37 SmKL’sp(glb) F without
P 4L 37 SmKL’sp(glb) F K
P 5L 37 SmKL’sp(glb) F K
P 9L 37 SmKL’sp(glb) PH K
P 10L 37 SmKL’sp(glb) F K
P 20L 37 SmKL’sp(glb) F K
P 1L 38 PmK F K
P 2L 38 PmK F K
P 3L 38 PmK F K
P 5L 38 SmKL’sp(glb) F K
P 6L 38 SmKL’sp(glb) F K
P 7L 38 SmKL’sp(glb) F K
P 8L 38 SmKL’sp(glb) F K
P 11L 38 lS F K
P 3L 39 PmK F K
P 6L 39 SmKL’sp(glb) F K
P 474L 39 SmKH F K
P 1L 40 PmK F K
P 2L 40 sS F K
P 2L 40 PmK F K
P 2L 40 SmKL’sp(glb) PK K
P 3L 40 SmKL’sp(glb) F K
P 4L 40 PmK F K
P 4L 40 lS L’sp (gelb) F K
P 7L 40 PmK F K
P 8L 40 PmK F K
P 15L 40 PmK F K
P 17L 40 PmK F K
P 132L 40 SmKH F K
P 27L 41 PmK F H
P 35L 41 PmK-v F H
P 2L 42 PmK-v F H
P 29L 42 PmK-v F H
P 35L 42 SmK-v F H
P 36L 42 PmK-v F H
P 38L 42 PmK-v F H
1943 P 3 SmKL’sp(glb) F K
1943 P 4 SmKL’sp(glb) F K

aux 1L 40 PmK-v lPA K
aux 3L 40 lS L’sp (gelb) F K
aux 4L 40 lS F K
aux 4L 40 lS L’sp (gelb) F K
aux 23L 40 PmK F K
aux 23L 40 PmK PH K
aux 18L 41 PmK F K
1944 aux 1 SmE F H K
1944 aux 1 lS L’sp (gelb) F K
1944 aux 2 SmE-lg F H K
1944 aux 2 SmE-lg F K
1944 aux 2 SmE-lg PK300 K
1944 aux 3 SmE-lg F K
1944 aux 10 PP33 Packtüte H
1944 aux 13 SmE F K
1944 aux 17 SmE PK300 K
1944 aux 25 SmE F K
1944 aux 25 SmE F H K
1944 aux 26 SmE F K
1944 aux 28 SmE F K
1944 aux 28 SmE F H K
1944 aux 36 SmE F H
1945 aux 1 SmE-lg F H