76,2x385r US > RU


#1

Hi,

I made a list of signatures, from the 76.2 mm ammunition elements sold from the USA to Russia. In particular, I am interested in the GH signature from a 76,2 mm projectile. I did not find it in the French list of producers.

A.C. Co. - American Cutlery Company, [cases and probably shells]
B.H. Co. - Bartlett-Hayward Company, Baltimore, Maryland [cases, fuzes]
B.S.C. Co. - Bethlehem Steel Company (Corporation) [cases, shrapnels]
R.&C.M. Co. - Recording & Computing Machine Company, Dayton-Ohio. [fuzes]
F.P.S. Co, E.A.C. - ?, [two signatures] [cases]
G C - ?? [cases]
GH / G H - ?? [shells]

Regards
PM


#2

PM,

Interesting subject!

Perhaps instead of being “GH” the stamps are Cyrillic “CH” ? Not the mark of a manufacturer but an inspection stamp?

Can you share with us the French listing for manufacturers that you are working from?

Any chance of a photo of the entire projectile?

Thanks,

Brian


#3

Hi,

its a GH, is under driving band. I seen long time ago a 76,2 shell with AC in the same place in shell.

Russia had ammo from France, UK, USA, Japan. (~1915+)

On the body of shell is a signature L and small circle. (i seen same strange “L” in francaise HE modelle 18 75mm)

I have a case x385R from old PL training ground with AC. [photo] Im interested in ID a sign… IOI in circle and PSD. [?]
I have a other cases this types, Schneider Bx… production to Russia and after 1918 reconstruction ammo in PL.
One ineresting is a German case from 1918 made, next reconstruction / used in PL, and next used in ww2 captured by Russian - change rim from 90 mm to 88,2-+ mm [for regimental model 27, 27/30 guns and kt28 tank guns(?)] + steel primer and russian text on one side of case.

Shell was later used in PL.



#4

This is just a question, not a correction. Are you sure
that the cartridge marked :A.C. is from the American Cutlery
Co.? I ask this because I have a French-type 75 mm Shell,
no headstamp and no primer, with an inert projectile somewhat similar,
but not identical, to the one in your photo. On the side of this totally inert cartridge
is a sheild-shaped plaque on the case side with the folllowing inscription:

75 MM HIGH
EXPLOSIVE SHELL
Made By
AMERICAN CAN
COMPANY
Presented with
its compliments

Just wondered if this was the actual identification of any
WWI-vintage artillery shell marked “AC” or “ACCo,” rather
than the “American Cutlery Company?”

Again, just a question on my part. I don’t collect artillery
rounds - just kept this one as an attractive novelty - and
I know very little about them.

Edited to correct a typo in spelling. No change in content.

John Moss


#5

Thanks for the opinion!
Yes, I made a mistake, the list is from 6 years ago. I do not remember identifying sources.
A.C. Co - American Can Company : )






#6

The French had a factory code of ‘GH’ used on projectiles in WWI which corresponded to Bouhet, Saint-Ouen.


#7

Thanks for posting that picture of the presentation plaque
on the side of the 75 mm dummy. It is identical to mine. They
must of made a small quantity of these, as your picture now makes
about five of these I have seen, including the one I own.

John M.


#8

Thanks, I did not find anything on Google about it / Bouhet, Saint-Ouen.


#9

Neither could I. From my experience of researching British munitions manufacturers this comes as no surprise. The word factory includes every thing from international arms producers down to a motor garage with maybe one or two lathes. The latter flourish for a few years and disappear without trace. One possible source of information would be trade journals/'phone directories of the era.


#10

Exactly.
I found ads: [Bouhey not Bouhet [?]]



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#11

Excellent! Thank you very much.


#12

Przemek - I am of the impression that the American Can Company
presentation 75 mm round is actually from the World War One era,
and not World War Two. I can not go just by that auction company’s
information, because they describe the round as a “blank” and of
course that is totally wrong - it is an inert dummy round.

Does anyone know for sure from what era that presentation shell is?

John Moss


#13

I know, old production, case is from 1917, and shell 76,2 mm “old French type” for 24/31 fuzes FR types.
Shell this types were still used in the ww2, with new Russian production - fuzes AD-N - modification a 24/31 model 1899-08 fuzes.

By the way, I wonder why they signed “75 mm”.


#14

While it may not be technically correct - I know nothing
about these “big” rounds, all my life I have heard of the French
Artillery piece of WWI, evidently an excellent piece of ordnance,
referred to as the “French 75.” I think it is a very common name
given this artillery piece and its ammunition. Again, I haven’t the
tiniest notion how that relates to the designation 76.2 mm, if we
are talking about the same weapon.

John Moss


#15

Hi,

FPSCo = Federal Pressed Steel Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
EAC = Eddystone Ammunition Corporation, Eddystone, Pennsylvania.
GC = Gorham Company, New York, NY.

Regards,

Fede


#16

Thanks !

So, “GH” “used on projectiles in WWI which corresponded to Bouhet, Saint-Ouen”, still no ID, “G… H…”

Regards
PM