8 x 57 R 360


#1

I have a cartridge headstamped "R W S 8X57 R 360"
It is tinned round-nosed soft point.

What does the “360” mean?


#2

It is mentioned in a French book on cartridges as the European version of the British .360 Minex. But in the “Carts of the World” it is described as a copy of the .360 No2 Nitro Express.


#3

360 because it is derived from the 9.3 X 72R,also called 360 express

Pivi


#4

there is also a 8 x 72R 360 made by sauer&son,derived from the 9.3 x 72R sauer 360=9.3 mm cartridge


#5

Is it like this?


#6

In my COTW is described as derived from the 9.3 x 72R case.It is very smaller than the 360n2 case ,altough the two can have similar performance.
It is very similar to the 8 x 57IR cartridge.My sample has the same base and rim diameter of the 9.3 x 72/360 express case.

Pivi


#7

Pivi–Yes, that is exactly the same cartridge as mine. Same headstamp and bullet. Except mine is a loaded round with a flat brass Berdan primer. Thanks for the information.


#8

Here is a picture of the box (DWM manufacture)
jp
PS: the box is full, if somebody is interested, I don’t collect anymore this staff.


#9

JP - Can you tell me what was the hs on that DWM 8x57R/360 ?

Also, it would probably be more true to say that the 8x57R/360 was derived from necking down the 9.3x57R E Express (which was produced earlier than the 9.3x72R types). There are over 45 different German and Austrian case types that were based on the English .360 case.


#10

Ron, its normally not a tinned jacket but nickle clad soft steel jacket.


#11

8x57 R / 360 is Germany hunting cartridge from year circa 1896. His case
has head from English cartridge .360 BPE and other is assumed from German
8x57 J. Body case 8x57 R /360 is slimmer than 8x57 R - base is 11.00 mm
versus 11.95 mm. Cartridges was used for hunting on middle distance.
Nowadays is already obsolete - normal fabrication finished c. 1972. Now
him produces only in small quantity W.Romey . Bullet with weight 12.5
gramme had V0 620 m/s. Cartridge was producing : Utendoerffer, RWS, DWM
(No. 446), G.Roth (No. 661), J.Roth, Sellier&Bellot, Geco , MWS . In
Germany arose several cartridges with rim and base from .360 BPE.


#12

WBD,
I agree.Do you remember my topic about 9.3 mm/360 cartridges?I have posted it because the 360 world is a real mess!!!

Vit,
I agree,it is slimmer than 8 x 57IR.As I wrote,it is similar to it not identical.
Thanks for the makers list!!!

Pivi


#13

DWM 8x57R 360


#14

h_broemel–The bullet in mine is definitely tinned, not cupro-nickel. The tinning has worn off in places showing the Gilding Metal underneath.

Thanks to everyone for the good information on my cartridge.


#15

Mine too.It is tinned steel jacketed

Ciao
Pivi


#16

More completion:
This cartridges was also in Czechoslovakia producing factory : Munition works Bratislava Headstamps M in circle), Zbrojovka Brno (Z) and Povazske Strojarne (PS). Firm Povazske Strojarne cartridges loaded six type bullets at intervals 5.45 - 13.2 gramme. Mostly used was bullett 13.2 gramme that the have had velocity in 25 m = 540 m/s.