8mm lebel & fuze plug ID


#1

Hi
I was hoping that someone maybe able to help with the codes stamped on an 8mm Lebel round:

A.T.E
S D
1 22

I believe that the 1 22 refers to the date of manufacture i.e. January 1922, but not sure about the rest.

My second item is a brass fuze hole plug stamped:

P1.05" II/N
R&S 9/38

Does anyone know what this would have been used with? Was 1.05" a special gauge maybe?

Again, I believe that ‘9/38’ refers to the date of manufacture & ‘II/N’ means that it is a MkII variant for Naval use. Does anyone know what the manufacturers initials R&S stand for?

Hope someone can help

Regards

James

8mm Lebel:

Fuze plug:


#2

[quote=“james88”]Hi
I was hoping that someone maybe able to help with the codes stamped on an 8mm Lebel round:

A.T.E
S D
1 22

I believe that the 1 22 refers to the date of manufacture i.e. January 1922, but not sure about the rest.

[/quote]

Hi James !
I see nobody is helping you, so I can give you small info (not much because I don’t collect ctges, but shotshells).

ATE means: Ateliers de Toulouse, a goverment factory located in Toulouse.
TE is for ToulousE.

Other French goverment factories are :
ATS (Ateliers de TarbeS).
VE (ValencE),
BS (BourgeS)
LM (Le Mans)
APX (Ateliers de PuteauX)
and so on.

JP


#3

[quote=“jean-pierre”]
Other French goverment factories are :
ATS (Ateliers de TarbeS).
VE (ValencE),
BS (BourgeS)
LM (Le Mans)
APX (Ateliers de PuteauX)
and so on.

JP[/quote]

Can you send me a full list? I really need to know who “RIS” and “RS” are.


#4

“RS” can be any of the following:

Atelier de Chargemnt des Rennes
Atelier de Construction des Rennes
Direction de Rennes

Depends on the context in which the initials are used, I suppose. I can find nothing in any of my French lists identifying an “RIS” code.

John Moss


#5

[quote=“JohnMoss”]“RS” can be any of the following:

Atelier de Chargemnt des Rennes
Atelier de Construction des Rennes
Direction de Rennes

Depends on the context in which the initials are used, I suppose. I can find nothing in any of my French lists identifying an “RIS” code.

John Moss[/quote]
Hi John
you are right.
RS is RenneS
In the same factory you have :
Construction (manufacturing department)
Chargement (loading department)
Direction (management)

Perhaps RIS is ReImS.
Not sure , I have to check.
JP


#6

“RS” is on a 65 x 167R Hotchkiss case headstamped: “65 DE RS L200 15 S”

“RIS” is on a 25 x 163 Hotchkiss case made in 1941 with a Wermacht overstamp.

I would be really grateful if you could solve those two, they have been bugging me since I got the rounds.


#7

see for a codelist of French 7.5MAS cartrige manufacturers (and metal suppliers) on
http://www.nvbmb.nl/downloads/codering-franse-mas-patroon.rtf


#8

Thanks Jean-pierre. Appreciate the info!

Regards

James