8mm Siamese


#1

I am the first to admit; “I am not a gun guy” (I own a couple long guns, no hand guns…but I have ammo out the yingyang)(admit it; you all suffer from the same condition)

If a friend tells me he seeks some ammo for his 8mm Siamese…and if I were to look for a few rounds at SLICS…what would I look for? 8 x 50R or 8 x 52R

(and will I find any ??) …rumor has it…it’s scare stuff

(unless it’s “special purpose”…I am way out of my league!!)


#2

You will find some of both at SLICS, more of the 52mm case length, as I believe most of the 50mm chambered rifles were later converted to 52mm. Probably not much good as shooting ammo.


#3

The stuff that seems to turn up the most is the 8x52R loads from Old Western Scrounger, and those are just contemporary ball loads in reformed cases, still a relatively rare box for OWS:

I’m not sure if OWS putting Vishnu on a box of ammo is proper or not, but oh well.

The real good stuff would be an API load by Kynoch in 8x52R. I hear they had AP and API in the 8x52R caliber.


#4

Thanks…see you guys at SLICS

He wants a round or two…first as a display (not sure he is going to shoot any?)


#5

Pepper, with all due respect, I am not going to say “I am not a gun guy”. Actually, collecting guns lead me to look and get interested in ammo. And, again, no disrespect, but a feel and sound of a Czech Mauser action being open and closed rivals going through the entrance door of SLICS show room.


#6

Vlad, you have it Baaaaad


#7

I bid on 3 Siamese rounds on an auction site, I passed on it after the rounds hit 8 bucks apeice. I do remember a reading about a guy that still loves to shoot his, I think he made the rounds from .348 brass.

Steve


#8

Over $5 for a good condition 8mm Siamese is a bit stiff, unless for an uncommon headstamp or loading.


#9

8x52R Siamese can be Made from either 45/70 cases ( Lot of work) or from 8x56R M30 Austrian Ammo/cases. .348 W is Incorrect.

If the person concerned needs reloading info, please get him to contact me direct ( www.gunboards.com to place the query.

IAA Rules prevent any further info on this ( reloading) topic.

Real cartridges in this calibre are getting like Hens-teeth, and the cost of individual (collector’s) cartridges getting up to the $10.00 mark.

DocAV
AV Ballistics Technical Services
Brisbane Australia.


#10

[quote=“DocAV”]8x52R Siamese can be Made from either 45/70 cases ( Lot of work) or from 8x56R M30 Austrian Ammo/cases. .348 W is Incorrect.

If the person concerned needs reloading info, please get him to contact me direct ( gunboards.com to place the query.

IAA Rules prevent any further info on this ( reloading) topic.

Real cartridges in this calibre are getting like Hens-teeth, and the cost of individual (collector’s) cartridges getting up to the $10.00 mark.

DocAV
AV Ballistics Technical Services
Brisbane Australia.[/quote]

I was giving that from memory, so probably wrong on my account.
Steve


#11

DocAV is right on with his reply. I’ve been making 8mm Siamese ammo for my rifles for years. It will take a few minutes per casing to make but the cartridge is very mild in it loading. You will get a very long case life.
Use the posted loads and not “fill the case” as the rifling will not stabilize a bullet faster than 2,400 fps with any accuracy.
I find 2,200-2,300 really shoots well out to 500 meters using a long heavy bullet.