8x60Rmm Guedes Portuguese

How common or uncommon are these cartridges?

I have one, but have never seen one before - which doesn’t mean much. I have very little information about this cartridge in my humble resource library.

The headstamp is the AE logo 1915 (Arsenal do Exercito of Moscavide, Lisbon, Portugaul.

Any information would be appreciated. Thank you.


Iron, I think this should be a Kropatschek then.

If I had to guess without seeing the cartridge I would say what you have is a 8x56mmR Kropatschek. There are a number of past threads on the Quedes/Kropatschek cartridges. You can do a search on

Thank you all!