9 x 19`s ID Please


#1

Need identification of those 9mm`s, thanks in advance !!!.
Lew: they will be in my next “wanted list” jajajajaja !!!.


#2

The 3rd from the left, the pointy white one…looks like a South African “Skyjacker” round I think I have. I’ll go look and confirm.

Yes, I have the round, but without the case mouth seal. Mine has an “85 9mm12” headstamp. I have mine listed as an “ANTI-HIJACKING EXPERIMENTAL”.


#3

Left to right =

  1. Hi-Vel incendiary (exploder), or maybe a Glaser safety slug, but the tip looks concave like a Hi-Vel exploder, and the shade of blue is lighter than a Glaser. (late 1980’s / early 1990’s)

  2. Safety bullet

  3. ??

  4. Looks like a Samson Die-Cut Ultra

  5. Looks like a T11-7E2 9mm U.S. airforce experimental steel bullet (late 1940’s - early 1950’s)

  6. American Ballistics steel monolithic AP bullet (early 1980’s)

  7. Could be anything?

  8. “Pin Grabber”


#4

DK did a good job as always!

#1 looks like the Hi Vel 9mm Exploder with a 65gr bullet
#4 is the MagSafe 64gr +P Stealth
#5 doesn’t really look like the AF Hi Standard load to me, but rather a gray plastic bullet-perhaps one of the British loads. What is the headstamp.
#7 Could be anything-what is the headstamp?

I totally agree with the other identifications.

If you can tell us what the headstamps are it will always help.

Cheers, Lew


#5

Lew,
Can you add any info to the South African round I id’d?


#6

If #5 is plastic then that makes more sense; I was wondering why it had $15.00 for a price on such a cartridge as what I thought it was.


#7

First of all, thank you very much for all all of you for the information.
The headstamps of the cartridges are as follows:

#1 R-P 9MM LUGER
#2 WIN 9mm LUGER is this somekind of saboted projectile ?
#3 85 9mm 12
#4 R-P 9mm LUGER +P
#5 REM-UMC 9m/m LUGER
#6 …S&W… 9MM (RED BASE)
#7 Hebrew characters 9-71 (sold as packaging dummy)
#8 WIN 9MM LUGER is this the Pin Grabber or the Law Grabber ?

All of them belongs to my friend Roberto who was recently at SLICS, the lucky bstrd got beautifull 9mm


#8

There were alot of #7 around a few years ago. There was much discussion about them, and the best explanation I heard at the tine was that they were Israeli packaging or machine-testing dummies.


#9

Best explanation is here:
http://www.safetybullet.com/


#10

Number 3 is actually a grenade launching cartridge. It is used with either UZI or BXP sub-machineguns & is used to launch tear gas grenades for riot control. The primer should be heavily crimped to withstand the extra stresses, usually ring crimped & stab crimped & not just the usual 3 stabs, this often has 6. Here is a picture showing some variations on this cartridge with the different neck seal colours on the left. On the right hand side are the “skyjacker” cartridges - these have a teflon bullet which is very white (the grenade cartridges are more cream coloured), flat tipped, also with different neck seals. I do not know the significance of the yellow tipped one.


#11

DK was right! #5 is the Hi Standard AF experimental.

#2 is a Safety cartridge (a number of people had them at SLICS). It is powered by the primer. When fired it expands the white nylon/plastic plug and locks up the weapon. You need a rod to push the expander back in place to unlock the weapon.

Jon was right on with his description of #3

With the angle of the photo, I had missed that #7 is grooveless. It is a dummy used to test machines used to load cartridges into boxes.

If it is the Roberto I’m thinking of, I think he got #1, 4 & 7 from me. I had all three at SLICS. I may have also had #6 but cannot remember. It was easy to identify 1 and 4 because I hadn’t put the boxes away yet.


#12

The older/original Kawser Pin Grabber bullets had the exposed lead 'teeth pictured…the more recent Law Grabber typically has a plastic cap in the shape of the ‘teeth’. My Law Grabber is a .45ACP; I’ll try to post a pic soon if no one else has an image available.


#13

Here’s a few “Grabbers”. The first one is the typical pin grabber as far as I know, while the second one came to me labeled as a “bone grabber” with red colored cavity, and the third was labeled as a “turbo grabber” and has the black resin tip.


#14

OK Will and Lew…which is the pointy one, grenade launcher or Skyjacker? I’m kind of leaning towards Will at this point.


#15

Will is the expert on these rounds. I agree that the pointed ones are gernade launchers.