JP - Am not sure I fully understand your comments. Your second paragraph,
which is in agreement with one of the identification factors I mentioned, seems
to contradict you first paragraph’s last words with the statement “both having
exactly the same bullet.”
Actually, prior to the post-WW2 period, that is NOT usually the case. With
the adoption of the Modello 1938 Submachine Gun in 1938, the 9 mm
Parabellum caliber ammunition for it was clearly marked as “9M38” on the
headstamps, and box labels. They are not fit for Glisenti pistols, and probably
not for the early 1915 and 1923 Models of the Beretta Pistol. Italy did not use,
as a standard military weapon, any 9 mm Parabellum-caliber pistol, until c.1951.
The Standard Military Pistol was the Beretta Model 1934 in caliber 9 mm Corto
and for the Air Force, and some police use, the Beretta Model 1935 in caliber
7.65 mm Browning.
There are two instances of headstamp confusion due, in the first instance a
Fiocchi cartridge that has the same headstamp, albeit with larger letters, as
a known Glisenti rounds, “FIOCCHI 1918.” This was always thought to be
a Glisenti until “Forensic” from this Forum found a box clear marked for 9 MM
Luger. The box was actually labeled in the French Language, not Italian, as
"25 CARTOUCHES POUR PISTOLET AUTOMATIQUE PARABELLUM 9 m/m."
Grimaldi’s notes indicate that these were made for captured Model 1915 Mauser
pistols, which is assumed to the the C.96 type made during WWI in caliber
9 mm Para, commonly referred to as “Red Nine” Mausers due to a large figure
9 carved into the wood grips and painted red, to differentiate it from those in
German Service in caliber 7.63 x 25 mm Mauser. It is thought that the 25-round
square, French language-labeled box was actually a post-war packaging for
commercial sales. I don’t want to rewrite my article here, but I have my own
theory about this ammo and what weapon it was for, explained in my article,
referenced earlier on in this thread, on pages 16 and 17.
The second confusion is with a BEAUX cartridge headstamped “BEAUX
CAL.9” and without the word “Parabellum” in any form on the headstamp.
The headstamp lettering would indicate it is likely contemporary to the
headstamp “BEAUX 1910,” on which the date expresses the cartridge (and
pistol) Model, not the date of manufacture. Thoughts on the BEAUX rounds
are also covered on Page 17 of my article.
Commercial 9 mm Glisenti cartridges from the Post-WW2 era have the truncated,
but are only caliber-marked “9MM” without Fiocchi’s usual reference to Parabellum,
Luger, or 9M38, all indicating 9 x 19 mm Parabellum caliber ammunition. The truncated
bullet was also loaded in this caliber, but properly headstamp for the higher-powered
I hope this settles the questions involved with identifying the 9 mm Glisenti round as opposed
to 9 mm Parabellum of Italian manufacture. To my knowledge, the 9 mm Glisenti was never
made in any countries other than Italy and the USA (U.S.C.Co., Maxim USA, and Western
Ctg. Co., all on contract for Italy).