A few 7.62 x 39, need help to identify


#1

Hi.

I have a few 7.62 x 39 in my collection, but I don’t really know much about these. May I ask help to identify the following:

Here are the headstamps:

Thanks for the help.


#2

From the ones I could make out the manufacturers are:
711 = Klimovsk Stamping Plant, Klimov, Russia
23 = Magyar Loszergyarto Kft., Matravideki Femmuvek, Hungary
VPT = Valtion Patruunatehdas, Lapua, Finland
bxn = Sellier Bellot, Zbrojovka Vlasim, Czechoslovakia
IK = Igman, Konjic, Bosnia & Herzegovina now.
04 = Mechanische Werkstatten, Konigswartha, Former East Germany
31 = Norinco, Beijing, China
539 = Tula Cartridge Works, Russia
Lapua = Valmet Oy, Lapua, Finland.

Curtis


#3

Sorry, also SO = Sako Arms.(Suojeluskuntain Ase-ja Konepaja Oy), Finland


#4
  1. 7.62mm Ex-patron M-43. Dummy. DDR.
  2. Don’t know. Possibly as above but with a green painted tip to indicate tracer.
  3. 7.62mm Latausharjvituspatruuna Nikkiatu. Dummy. Lapua, Finland using a Soviet case.
  4. 7.62mm AK-47 Blank. Lake City, USA.
  5. 7.62mm Blank. Bakalittfabrikken, Norway.
  6. 7.62mm RK pl papp. Blank. Sako, Finland.
  7. 7.62mm Vaktolteny 43M. Blank. Sirok, Hungary.
  8. 7.62mm PUU PAP Patr. Blank. Lapua, Finland.
  9. 7.62mm RK pl papp. Blank. Lapua, Finland.
  10. 7.62mm Ball. Thunderbird Corporation, USA. Reformed 7.62 x 45mm case reloaded with 7.62 x 45mm bullet.
  11. 7.62mm M67 Ball. Igman plant, Konjice. Yugoslavia.
  12. 7.62mm Patr M-43. Ball. Konigswartha, DDR.
  13. I can’t read the headstamp clearly. Looks like Type 56 Ball. Brass-washed case. PRC.
  14. 7.62mm PS Obr 43. Ball. Tula, USSR.
  15. The headstamp is for Sako, Finland but I don’t know the meaning of the black tip. Armour piercing?
  16. 7.62mm T-45 Obr 43. Tracer. Podolsk/Barnaul. USSR.
  17. As for 16.
  18. 7.62mm Tracer. Lapua, Finland.
  19. 7.62mm Tracer. Sako, Finland.
  20. 7.62mm BZ Obr 43. Armour Piercing Incendiary. Podolsk/Barnaul, USSR.

#5

Some clarifications:

#2 is likely a fake. I know of no authentic DDR dummy with any painted tip. A closer pic might help with the ID. I think I’ve seen a similar cartridge in Fuller and Lamont’s SKS-45 book which is known to have incorrect cartridge images in it.

#13 is a Chinese Type 56 ball cartridge, brass washed steel case, head stamped “31 68”.

#15 is an AP

#16 and 17 are products of Klimovsk, not Podolsk/Barnaul.

20 is a product of Tula, not Podolsk/Barnaul.

AKMS


#6

I have a similar round to #2 that I believe is legit, meaning that someone in the DDR actually painted to simulate a tracer round. At what level I have no idea.


#7

[quote=“Jim”]
16. 7.62mm T-45 Obr 43. Tracer. Podolsk/Barnaul. USSR.
17. As for 16.
20. 7.62mm BZ Obr 43. Armour Piercing Incendiary. Podolsk/Barnaul, USSR.[/quote]

#16,17 manufacturer is Klimovsk Ammunition Plant, Klimovsk (code 711 )
#20 i see “Z” ( Incendiary) bullet with flat nose and red tip, it also was made by Klimovskii Ammunition Plant but with using cases which was produced by
Tula Cartridge Factory (code 539)


#8

Thanks for all help to identify these. I see the picture is a bit small, so I have some closeup-pictures that may help:


#9

[quote=“psg1”]I see the picture is a bit small, so I have some closeup-pictures that may help:
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I was wrong about # 20 - it was “BZ” armour-piercing incendiary, made by Klimovskii Ammunition Plant but with using cases which was produced by
Tula Cartridge Factory (code 539)