Amberite


#1

HI Everybody,

Now we have some more input on british shotshells, I thought I ask/show the following cases.
All are fired but still collectable, at least to me.

Can anybody tell me something about these shells??
Anything is more than welcome.


Many regards rené


#2

AMBERITE WAS ONE OF THE EARLY, CIRCA 1892-1894, BRITISH SMOKELESS POWDERS. IT WAS OF BULK TYPE THEREFORE COULD BE LOADED AS BLACK POWDER. CURTISS & HARVEY, LTD. APPEAR TO BE THE SOLE MANUFACTURER OF THE POWDER. I SUSPECT THAT YOUR SHELLS WERE LOADED WITH THIS TYPE OF POWDER WHEN THEY WERE MANUFACTURED.


#3

Very nice cases, I have never seem this type before. As mentioned Amberite was a powder made by Curtis & Harvey, and due to headstamp from the period 1920-1926 just before I.C.I.


#4

Some other Amberlite. The one on the left has a Eley London No 16 headstamp, the others are as the one with the white-out in the headstamp.


I have a hunch / guess that your Eley Nobel headstamped cases may have been marketed / sold in Australia or New Zealand, even though they say Made in Gt. Britain.


#5

Hi Pete,

I have added a few more types to the discussion, as you can see one is actually a cartridge called the Amberite and not a “loaded with” cartridge.

The first is the same as your left hand cartridge I think from what I can see in the picture (different print layout and colour of course).

Side View

Head Stamp

Now with no Eley shield.

Side View 1

Side View 2

Head Stamp

Over Shot Card

Now this is what I think is the same as Rene’s case?

Side View 1

Side View 2

Over Shot Card

Head Stamp

Your thoughts ?

I think C&H sold cartridges called Amberite and not just as a loaded with!!

Mike.


#6

Hi Mike
Yes your right, indeed a brand name & not a loaded with. However my 16 bore Eley on the left does say “loaded with”. Never ends does it!

The three with the dragon / griffin ? do not say “loaded with” but just note Amberite Smokeless Powder & only one (the 16 b) has a Made in Gt. Britain line, otherwise the case print is complete as shown on the two 12’s.

TOPWADS (and lets use the correct term*) on the two loaded dragons variations are as you show with the Hounslow loading (size) C&H, no note of Amberite.

*Explanation to others, a running joke about “over shot card” vs “topwad” terminology.


#7

Rene/Pete,

Some more variations on them;















So there are cases from just about every British case manufacture, the Kynoch one has rather an unusual OSC.

Mike.


#8

[quote=“PetedeCoux”]
I have a hunch / guess that your Eley Nobel headstamped cases may have been marketed / sold in Australia or New Zealand, even though they say Made in Gt. Britain.[/quote]

Hi pete,

Could be, as far as I can remember they are all sent to me from either Australia or New Zealand.

Thanks for your input, you show some very nice ones.

Regards rené


#9

Hi Mike,

Some great ones you show, especially the Pegamoid one.

You could be right about the C&H using Amberite as a brand name.
Prhaps one day we will find the proof of this.

Wil have a good look and see if I can show some more variations.

Regards rené


#10

As promised,

Here are all the Amberite cases I have.

The last two are from Australia.

regards rené


#11

Early Nitrocellulose Powders ( and Double-ase NitroCellulose and Niroglycerine as well) were not “coated” or “Graphited”, so the flakes/discs etc.were “Natural Colour” , varying from a brown ( Italian Solenite) to an amber yellow through to an almost “Calico White” colour ( c/f “Poudre Blanc” of the French Lebel cartridge).

“Amberite” was a trademark given to the Powder, ( C&H) and served to differentiate it from the Newly introduced “Cordite” ( also yellowy colour, but in “cords” for military use). It is well known that the Term “Cordite” is synonymous in the British world to the uninitiated to "Smokeless "Powder ( irrespective of the real composition).

That some of the cartridges are Marked “Amberite” as if it were the brand of Cartridge, may be just a “Printer’s Devil” during the development of the labelling. There are sufficient "Loaded with " markings to indicate that “Amberite” was a trade Mark of a particular type of Powder used in Shotshells by various makers, and relevant Trade Mark Laws required the distinction.

Doc AV