Availibilty of 14.5x114


#1

I am looking at getting into collecting 14.5x114 and was wondering a few things about the cartridge. Such as, how widely used is/was this round? What countries currently or formerly mass produced it and on what kind of scales? (approx. production figures)

And lastly, how diffacult is it to currently procure any quantity of this round?

I have seen some later examples from Russia (1980s) and some from China. I have also heard of possable examples from Egypt currently being availible. The garden variey seems to be around $40 per round. Is this what these are bringing? -Thanks


#2

me262, the cartridge is widely spread and I think a regular Russian or Chinese API or so should be much cheaper than 40$ (i’d go for 10-15).
Of course there are also scarce ones.

I guess nobody will or can give you production figures but it is one of the widest used cartridges in the eastern and Asian sphere.

Manufacturers I know are:
Russia
China
Poland
Romania
Hungary
Yugoslavia (small scale - scarce)
Czechoslovakia
North Korea
Egpt
Iraq
USA (small scale - scarce)
GDR (only dummies)
…and certainly I missed the one or the other…


#3

Where I come from (South Africa) these are not uncommon. Here is a list of what I have in my humble collection (not very much, I am still a beginner). On the headstamps “R in O” means a raised headstamp in a circle impression. My paste did not work too well, I seem to have lost all the columns, but maybe you can work out whats going on. You can still see countries clearly…

Where are you? I have quite a few duplicates at half that price, I can make a list if you are interested, getting them to you might be a problem, I don’t know if I can make a bullet puller that big so that they can be posted.

country load hs bullet comments
? DRILL NO H/S WHITE Bt TURNED STEEL PARKERISED, RUBBER Pr ~13MM, 2 HOLES IN CASE
CHINA AP 311 88 (R IN O) WHITE TIP LS CASE,Br Pr, RED Pa, MAGNETIC Bt, BRASS JACKET
CHINA API 41 62 (R IN O) BLACK/RED Br CASE, BLACK Pa
CHINA API 41 73 (R IN O) BLACK TIP L/S BROWN CASE, BLACK Pa
CHINA API 11 99 BLACK DARK GREEN LACQUERED STEEL CASE, BLACK Pr & NECK SEAL
CHINA API 11 69 (R IN O) BLACK TIP L/S BROWN CASE, BLACK Pa, BLACK N/S
CHINA API 9361 82 (R IN O) BLACK TIP L/S GREEN CASE, BLACK Pa, CLEAR N/S
CHINA API/T 58 41 (R IN O) PURPLE/RED Br CASE
CHINA DRILL 41 68 (R IN O) L/S CASE, 3 FLUTES 1CM LONG, NO RUBBER IN PRIMER
CHINA DUMMY 41 66 (R IN O) BWS CASE, RUBBER IN Pr, SHOT FILLED, 3 FLUTES 1cm
CHINA DUMMY 41 70 (R IN O) L/S CASE, RUBBER IN Pr, SHOT FILLED, 3 FLUTES 1cm
CHINA PRESSURE TEST 361 82 (R IN O) L/S CASE, FIRED CASE, PRESSURE POINT (NO HOLE)
CHINA PRESSURE TEST 361 82 L/S CASE, FIRED CASE, HOLE AT PRESSURE POINT
DDR DUMMY NO H/S BROWN FIBRE, STEEL BASE
DDR DUMMY NO H/S BLACK PLASTIC, STEEL BASE
EGYPT API < <7V> < BLACK/RED Br CASE, BLACK Pa, H/S LARGE
EGYPT API/T < <7V> < PURPLE/RED Br CASE, BLACK Pa, H/S LARGE
EGYPT BALL <V’51 <7V> < Br CASE, BLACK Pa, H/S SMALL
EGYPT FIRED CASE < <7E> < Br CASE, H/S SMALL IN RING
HUNGARY API 21 89 (R IN O) BLACK/RED LS CASE,Br Pr, RED Pa, BELT ON Bt
HUNGARY API 21 75 (R IN O) BLACK/RED Br CASE,Br Pr, RED Pa, BELT ON Bt, CLEAR NECK SEAL
HUNGARY BLANK 21 77 (R IN O) RED CARDBOARD L/S BROWN CASE, RED Pa
HUNGARY DUMMY 25 71 (R IN O) TINNED CASE & Bt & Pr, 3 HOLES IN CASE, Br CASE, MAGNETIC Bt
NORTH KOREA ? 93 74 NO TIP COLOUR L/S CASE
NORTH KOREA API 71 (R IN O) LSC,Br Pr
POLAND DRILL 21 75 WHITE PLASTIC L/S CASE, 6 FLUTES 1CM LONG IN MIDDLE OF CASE, PLASTIC Pr
ROUMANIA API 83 BLACK/RED L/S CASE, RED Pa
RUSSIA AP? 17 * 75 * NO TIP COLOUR L/S CASE, RED Pa & NECK SEAL, BULLET STRONGLY MAGNETIC
RUSSIA API 17 * 78 * BLACK/RED L/S CASE, RED Pa, RED N/S
RUSSIA API 17 * 81 * BLACK/RED L/S CASE, RED Pa, RED N/S
RUSSIA API 3 * 57 * BLACK/RED Br CASE
RUSSIA API 3 43 * BLACK/RED Br CASE
RUSSIA API/T 3 * 78 * PURPLE/RED L/S CASE, RED Pa, RED N/S
RUSSIA API/T 17 * 74 * PURPLE/RED L/S CASE, RED Pa, RED N/S
RUSSIA API/T 3 * 76 * PURPLE/RED L/S CASE, RED Pa, RED N/S
RUSSIA API/T 3 * K * PURPLE/RED BRASS CASE
RUSSIA BLANK 711 * 59 * GREEN CARDBOARD BRASS CASE
RUSSIA BLANK 3 * 78 * GREEN CARDBOARD L/S CASE, GREEN Pa
RUSSIA CASE ONLY 3 42 * Br CASE
RUSSIA CASE ONLY 46 * 43 Br CASE, DUG UP
RUSSIA DUMMY 3 * 68 * BWS CASE, 4 FLUTES 5cm LONG, 3 Bt STAKES
RUSSIA DUMMY 3 * 79 * BWS CASE, 4 FLUTES 2.5cm LONG, 3 Bt STAKES
RUSSIA EXPLOSIVE 3 * * RED TIP Br CASE, EX RHODESIA
RUSSIA EXPLOSIVE 3 * 67 * RED Bt L/S CASE, RED Pa, RED N/S


#4

Will, your Hungarian steel cased ones from 21 are actually Romanian by Uzinale Metalurgica Di Copsa Mica Si Cugir, Transylvania.

Hungarian 21 (Veszprem) never made 14.5x114 (nor made Hungary steel cases in this caliber at all).


#5

Will,with a steel pipe and a shell holder or a bullet puller vice you can unload almost every cartridge in existance. Be careful about explosive bullets,of course

In that way I pulled some 12,7 Breda , a couple of 50 BMG and a 20 x 138 mm too


#6

If there is no technical or legal need I would drill them.


#7
  • @ EOD: The term you used above “Uzinale Metalurgica Di Copsa Mica Si Cugir” is not correct from the Romanian grammar point of view, it sounds like Italian. => During World War 2, the CUGIR factory from Transylvania was part of the military-industrial complex “C.M.C.” [it means “Copsa-Mica Cugir”]. Cugir plant manufactured during WW2 the 9mm Orita M1941 submachine-gun [an original domestic design] and between mid-1930 and 1944-45 manufactured a copy of the Czech 7.92mm ZB-30 light machine-gun. Small arms ammunition as 7.92X57, .380 / 9X17 Kurz and 9X19 Parabellum was also made by “C.M.C.” and the headstamp is clearly marked with the “C.M.C.” mark. “Cugir” and “Copsa-Mica” are two different towns [both located in Transylvania], the distance between them [a straight line on the map] is about 45 miles. => The 14.5X114 ammo was manufactured in Romania starting after mid-1950s by the Cugir plant which used the code “21” [raised headstamp markings]. => NOTE: For a short period of time the Cugir plant also used the code “15”, it can be seen on the headstamp of some 12.7X108 rounds. Liviu 05/21/09 P.S. I mentioned above the Romanian made 9mm Orita M1941 submachine-gun. The monthly magazine “Small Arms Review” printed on the January 2009 issue my article named “Romanian 9mm Orita M1941 SMG”.

#8

This would probably be okay on the brass cases, but could be dangerous on steel ones.


#9

This would probably be okay on the brass cases, but could be dangerous on steel ones.[/quote]

Someone who knows about will certainly be able to do steel as well but I will not give details here.


#10

Liviu, so what did “Copsa-Mica” produce then?


#11
  • @ EOD: Since “Cugir” and “Copsa-Mica” were both part of the same military-industrial complex, it’s unknown what parts exactly each facility manufactured. Definitely the propellant of the small arms ammo manufactured by “C.M.C.” was not made at Cugir or Copsa-Mica. Liviu 05/21/09