Big shell info


#1

It is an all brass 42 x 120 R straight case.

the headstamp is : bird DWM bird 341

What is the meaning of 341 (it doesn’t look to be a DWM number) ?
For which gun is it ?

Thanks
JP


#2

Jean-Pierre,
I think the 341 will be a case number. The numbers of the large cases are just almost undocumented.


#3

[quote=“EOD”]Jean-Pierre,
I think the 341 will be a case number. The numbers of the large cases are just almost undocumented.[/quote]

Hello Alex,

341 DWM number is given as Belgian Mannlicher in the DWM base !!
It must not be that.

urely a guy expert in big shells can give us some info on this case

JP


#4

Ah, so this number was issued already to a smaller caliber.

Does anybody happen to have a list of DWM artillery case numbers (I know I am asking for miracles now).


#5

This is a list of known DWM numbers assigned to artillery cases:

43: Revolver-Kanone, Kal. 25 mm
56: Berggeschütz, Kal. 5 cm
74: Hülse für Berggeschütz, Kal. 4 cm
171: Nordenfelt Revolver-Kanone, Kal. 25 mm - also assigned to “Lancaster, Kal. 16”)
172: Hotchkiss Revolver-Kanone, Kal. 3,7 cm
250: Revolver-Kanone, Kal. 4,7 cm - also assigned to "Viehtötungs-Apparat, Kal. 8 mm (Behr, Hamburg)"
363: Revolver, Kal. 7,5 mm Loewe*
364: Tempini, Kal. 7,5 mm*
364A: Tempini, Kal. 7,5 mm*
400: Hülse, Kal. 7,5 mm, Löwe & Co., Berlin.*

  • These are believed to be descriptions for 7,5 cm cases.

This is a list of unknown DWM numbers assigned to “big shells”:

47 A.E: 26 x 82 R, 26 x 100 R and 26 x 120 R straight cases
143A: 47 x 115 R straight case
341: 42 x 120 R straight case
366A: 50 x 155 R straight case

There are also many artillery cases without any known DWM number (if ever assigned). For example, we have a 37 x 101 SR Maxim and a 28 cm SK L/45/50 (280 x 1220 R) headstamped PATRONENFABRIK KARLSRUHE; should we expect these have been assigned with DWM numbers???


#6

Fede, the German 37x102SR has the case number 917. It is often found on head stamps in addition to the regular info.


#7

Alex, I wasn’t sure if those high figures were actually case numbers. There are 37 x 101 SR cases headstamped PATRONENFABRIK (bomb) [b]KARLSRUHE /b1917 917, PATRONENFABRIK (bomb) [b]KARLSRUHE /b 1918 917 and K 1 JUN 1918 Sp255 917. Do you know other dates?

There are also 37 x 94 R cases headstamped PATRONENFABRIK (bomb) KARLSRUHE (bomb) 1915 119A, SEPT. K 26 1918 Sp255 119A and PATR.-FABR. (bomb) KARLSRUHE (bomb) 896. Are these last figures (119A / 896) interpreted as case numbers?


#8

Despite the fact we look like to ignore the meaning of 341, for which gun is a 42 x 120 R ?
It must be easier to find

JP


#9

I have a Semi-rimmed 37mm Sockelflak round with the “917” was the same number assigend to both cases?


#10

Falcon, I think we both mean the same case.


#11

[quote=“Fede”]Alex, I wasn’t sure if those high figures were actually case numbers. There are 37 x 101 SR cases headstamped PATRONENFABRIK (bomb) [b]KARLSRUHE /b1917 917, PATRONENFABRIK (bomb) [b]KARLSRUHE /b 1918 917 and K 1 JUN 1918 Sp255 917. Do you know other dates?

There are also 37 x 94 R cases headstamped PATRONENFABRIK (bomb) KARLSRUHE (bomb) 1915 119A, SEPT. K 26 1918 Sp255 119A and PATR.-FABR. (bomb) KARLSRUHE (bomb) 896. Are these last figures (119A / 896) interpreted as case numbers?[/quote]

Fede, these calibers (and subject in General) is not my specialty (if there is one for me at all).
The 119A is the 37x94R case number (and 119 likely too).


#12

Yes we do. For some reason I thought you were referring to the 37mm Hotchkiss.