California Ammo legislation


#1

Looks like it will be taking effect in 2011. Here’s a snippet from the article:

Latest Info: 10/12/2009 - The Governor has failed to veto AB962 Mail Order Ammo Ban. However, because California does not have a pocket veto, the bill will become law as though it received his signature


#2

Rick

The word on the street is that the Governator actually signed the bill, in the interest of “public safety”.

Techincally it is only supposed to regulate “vendors” of “handgun” ammunition. But handguns are made that will shoot just about any cartridge on the market and a vendor is described as anyone who sells 50 or more rounds a month.

So, it remains for the collectors in CA to find out what it will mean for them.

Maybe the end of the CA cartridge show?

Ray


#3

Effective immediately, I will not longer ship any ammunition to Kalifornia.

The promoter of any gun or cartridge show in Kalifornia better read the law carefully, as there are numerous extremely illogical and stupid mandates that can result in prison or fines for actions which normal rational people would consider reasonable.

Flee to freedom while you still can.


#4

If anyone wants to move to New York from Kalifornia, I have a house for sale next to me, and a bunch of illogical NY liberals so you’ll feel just like in San Francisco.


#5

I wanted to chime in on this, but without being overly political and getting the thread locked. So to read what I think about California ammo law, go here: http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg94/DKconfiguration/reponse.jpg


#6

The California Cartridge show is already moving, The (this year in Jan) winter (Prescott AZ) show is listed in the IAA other show dates.
The June CCCA show will now be held in Reno NV, on June 24, 25 & 26th, 2010.
Hopefully it will now attract dealers who deal in military, pistol & other interesting stuff along with sporting collectibles.
Also the club is in the process of changing it’s name by removing California from the title. (nothing final has been decided at this time)


#7

These news appeared on the most important italian gun-related websites .

Is this ban applied to inert ammo and components ( case , bullets) too?


#8

It wasn’t too long ago that Los Angeles banned the sale of .50 caliber ammo. What an absolute waste of time. This is pandering to the uninformed, liberal-media-educated public. It’s a good photo-op and a feather in the cap that won’t do a darn thing for people’s safety.

[quote]
New Jersey is considering a .50-caliber gun ban similar to California’s.[/quote]

Another shocker!


#9

Pete

So the CA show will now be held in AZ and NV. Hmmmm.

I hope I read you right about the AZ part. In January? Having it on the same week as the Super Bowl has always lost you a lot of attendees. Well, OK, one attendee. ;)

Ray


#10

Might as well watch the Super Bowl. Our lifetime hobbies will likely not survive the current rush to National Socialism by the American Government at all levels. Fitting that California, with a Governor raised in an Austrian National Socialist family, should lead the way, I guess.


#11

[quote=“JohnS”]Effective immediately, I will not longer ship any ammunition to Kalifornia.

The promoter of any gun or cartridge show in Kalifornia better read the law carefully, as there are numerous extremely illogical and stupid mandates that can result in prison or fines for actions which normal rational people would consider reasonable.

Flee to freedom while you still can.[/quote]

Maybe I ought to move my family To CA. It looks like I would feel right at home. Better weather than Britain. And the houses will be cheap as all the gun enthusiasts will have upped sticks and left.

On a more serious note for a minute, as soon as the details of the new law become clear could someone post on the forum a full breakdown of all the new regulations?

As people are already aware over this side of the water the devil is in the detail.


#12

[quote=“RayMeketa”]Pete

So the CA show will now be held in AZ and NV. Hmmmm.

I hope I read you right about the AZ part. In January? Having it on the same week as the Super Bowl has always lost you a lot of attendees. Well, OK, one attendee. ;)

Ray[/quote]

Ray
Think the powers that be (I’m just the guy on the ground = one stripe, no bars, eagles, or such) checked and it was not the same weekend as the super bowl, and as I rarely watch football I don’t keep track of that sort of thing.
January 21-24 , 2010 are the Prescott dates
So if S.B. is not that weekend we’ll expect you and a full table of trade material.
Plus as I recall, S.B. is usually on a Sunday and you can be home in plenty of time, to watch Pepper’s team kick ass

Last June show in CA, 2009, had 8 (eight) vendors and FOUR (4) walk-ins. NOW you know how bad it is/was!


#13

Super Bowl will be on February 7th , so you will have plenty of time to go to the show and come back …


#14

You guys don’t understand. Super Bowl is not simply a Sunday when I stay home to watch the game. It is an event. Most of the kids come down from Alaska, we meet somewhere in Nevada, gamble and party, bet on the game, maybe watch the game, more gamble and party, one big night of dinner all together, then all head back to our respective domiciles. If the AZ show happens to be the weekend before or after the SB, it’s a no-go for me.

It looks like 2010 may work out. As for the CA show in NV, that’s going to be an 900 mile one-way drive, across that god-forsaken desert, in June, so . . .

Ray


#15

Ray
Be good to see you at the show!! You want one table or three?
AND
Just received this via e-mail from a local (Phoenix) collector

Sacramento, CA

AB962, the bill that would restrict ammunition sales in California was signed this past evening by Governor Schwarzennegger.

The bill will take effect on February 1, 2011. His comments are below:

"To the Members of the California State Assembly: I am signing Assembly Bill 962.

This measure would require vendors of handgun ammunition to keep a log of information on handgun ammunition sales, store ammunition in a safe and secure manner, and require the face to-face transfer of ammunition sales.

Although I have previously vetoed legislation similar to this measure, local governments have demonstrated that requiring ammunition vendors to keep records on ammunition sales improves public safety. These records have allowed law enforcement to arrest and prosecute persons who have no business possessing firearms and ammunition: gang members, violent parolees, second and third strikers, and even people previously serving time in state prison for murder.

Utilized properly, this type of information is invaluable for keeping communities safe and preventing dangerous felons from committing crimes with firearms.

Moreover, this type of record keeping is no more intrusive for law abiding citizens than similar laws governing pawnshops or the sale of cold medicine. Unfortunately, even the most successful local program is flawed; without a statewide law, felons can easily skirt the record keeping requirements of one city by visiting another. Assembly Bill 962 will fix this problem by mandating that all ammunition vendors in the state keep records on ammunition sales.

As Governor, I have sought the appropriate balance between public safety and the right to keep and bear arms. I have signed important public safety measures to regulate the sale and transfer of .50 caliber rifles, instituted the California Firearms License Check program, and promoted the use of microstamping technology in handguns. I have also vetoed many pieces of legislation that sought to place unreasonable restrictions and burdens on firearms dealers and ammunition vendors.

Assembly Bill 962 reasonably regulates access to ammunition and improves public safety without placing undue burdens on consumers. For these reasons, I am pleased to sign this bill."


#16

Deleted by Poster. While factually correct, my answer to the Ca. Governor’s statement would probably cause this thread to be locked, so I have thought better of it.

John Moss


#17

Great, so now there will be a thriving black market for tax-free / regulation-free 9mm and other typical caliber ammo to be bought in Arizona & Nevada, trucked-in, and then sold in the back alleys of city streets in CA if you want to keep your name out of Big Brother’s book?! What a mess.


#18

DK

Now you know nobody’s gonna do that. IT’S AGAINST THE LAW!


#19

Thats always going to be the case, you can never create a vacuum. However, citizens in general stick to the law and a few well publicised scapegoats will go to jail.
Even though you may despise the law and the people who made it you really don’t want to be one of those scapegoats.


#20

Is it possible to send Terminator a question about “cartridge for collectors & obsolete weapons” ?

I think that the most reasonable thing to do is to make a distinction between ammo for modern guns and ammo for no longer produced pistols/rifles . I think that nobody will join a gang and kill someone using a 15 mm pinfire revolver !