Cartouche de 8 mm Lebel Mle 1886 D(a.m.)


Does anybody know anything about this Lebel cartridge,what kind of bullet is it?

8mm Lebel steel cased, tracer or not?

This is the short range practice round for the Lebel. It could only be used as a single shot and the bullet weighed 150 grains.



Ok Tony thanks for the fast answer.



Tony, do you know if this was made the same way as the Balle D, out of solid bronze?



This kind of ammunition was known as [b]Cartouche de 8 mm Mle 1886 D(a.m.)


The Balle Sectionee was “Cut off”,(for Rifles) as against the other training version, the “Balle Fraisee” (Milled sides of the Point) which was used in Hotchkiss Guns (required the full profile for feeding).

The Balle D is a “Brass” (actually a “Red brass” of 90/10 or 95/5 alloy of copper to zinc, also commonly called “Gilding metal” same as used in Bullet jackets, and in Europe called “Tombac” or “Tombak”.

Cartridge brass is a “Yellow brass” ( 67/33 to 72/28 alloy, commonly in trade called "cartridge brass or "70/30 " brass.)

Bronze, of course is an alloy of Copper and TIN, and appears similar to “red brass” (hence the French Term “bronzee” meaning “Bronze -like or coloured”…The differance between the colour of the “Balle D” and the earlier “Balle M” which was coated with “Maillechort” ( a Nickel & Copper alloy, also known as “Alpaca” or “German Silver” or simply “Cupro-Nickel.”)

In the late 1890-s early 1900s, the “Balle D” would be distinguished in French as being “Bronzee” ( bronze coloured…it is an easy step from the French to Mistranslate into English the Bullet as being actually “of bronze”.

Regards, Doc AV
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